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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 12:14pm
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NBA Sitch. 8 second count.

Houston @ GS Warriors the other night.

GSW hits a basket, but HOU is up by 1 with 18.5 seconds to go. Warriors pressure the HOU inbounds play in the back court, apparently looking hard for a steal rather than a simple foul.

HOU struggles a bit advancing the ball, but GSW ultimately fouls in the back court with 12 seconds left.... no back court violation.

My question is, any idea how the refs count this 8 seconds? I don't think that I have ever seen a manual count in the NBA. I always thought that they used the shot clock. But in the above sitch, the shot clock was turned off.

Do the packs they wear buzz at 8 seconds?
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 12:37pm
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GSW hits a basket, but HOU is up by 1 with 18.5 seconds to go. Warriors pressure the HOU inbounds play in the back court, apparently looking hard for a steal rather than a simple foul.

HOU struggles a bit advancing the ball, but GSW ultimately fouls in the back court with 12 seconds left.... no back court violation.

My question is, any idea how the refs count this 8 seconds?
Let's see now. You take 18.5. You subtract 12.0. You get.....wait a second.....get out the calculator......that's not working.....better go find a 7-year old and ask him/her.....and the answer is......wait for it......6.5 seconds.

I'm just guessing but it's possible that might be the reason that there wasn't an 8-second violation called.

Are you a math major, by any chance?
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 12:44pm
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They use the shotclock or game clock. There is no vibrating pack.
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 01:19pm
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Let's see now. You take 18.5. You subtract 12.0. You get.....wait a second.....get out the calculator......that's not working.....better go find a 7-year old and ask him/her.....and the answer is......wait for it......6.5 seconds.

I'm just guessing but it's possible that might be the reason that there wasn't an 8-second violation called.

Are you a math major, by any chance?
Jurassic, you are a genius. There is no way you went to public schools!
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 01:22pm
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Let's see now. You take 18.5. You subtract 12.0. You get.....wait a second.....get out the calculator......that's not working.....better go find a 7-year old and ask him/her.....and the answer is......wait for it......6.5 seconds.

I'm just guessing but it's possible that might be the reason that there wasn't an 8-second violation called.

Are you a math major, by any chance?
JR,

OP wasn't questioning why there wasn't a violation called. In fact, his first three paragraphs were extraneous information, but it does give us a mental image of his exact situation, and what actions caused him to wonder about the 8-second rule.

Your blue text answers a question that s/he did not ask!
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 01:52pm
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JR,

OP wasn't questioning why there wasn't a violation called. In fact, his first three paragraphs were extraneous information, but it does give us a mental image of his exact situation, and what actions caused him to wonder about the 8-second rule.

Your blue text answers a question that s/he did not ask!
Cool. Then I'll change my answer to "who gives a sh1t?". It's the NBA. They use the same officiating philosophy as the WWE.
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 02:08pm
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Do the packs they wear buzz at 8 seconds?
No. At the 8 second mark, Stone Cold Steve Austin drops down from the ceiling and body slams the ball handler.

OK, I made that up, but it might happen in the near future the way the NBA is going. Or should we start calling it the NBE?

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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 02:15pm
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jr, thanks for that.

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Let's see now. You take 18.5. You subtract 12.0. You get.....wait a second.....get out the calculator......that's not working.....better go find a 7-year old and ask him/her.....and the answer is......wait for it......6.5 seconds.

I'm just guessing but it's possible that might be the reason that there wasn't an 8-second violation called.

Are you a math major, by any chance?
I knew they didn't get to the 8 second count. Again, thanks for that.
It was just a scenario where the team was working towards that, the pressure in the back court was mounting... but then the foul.
Caused me to wonder how the officials clocked the count.

But again, thanks for that.
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 02:18pm
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So I guess in this sitch..

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They use the shotclock or game clock. There is no vibrating pack.
... they would look for the game clock to hit 10.5. Seems tough on them to have that "decimal place" clock watching responsibility thrown in.
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 05:22pm
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It is tough.... but because NBA uses exact time if they hit 10.1 and that's where the clock stopped on the whistle, they would go back to 10.5...
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 05:36pm
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Aren't we assuming team control started on the touch?
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It is tough.... but because NBA uses exact time if they hit 10.1 and that's where the clock stopped on the whistle, they would go back to 10.5...
Huh? Can you elaborate on this a bit?
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Old Mon Mar 24, 2008, 10:56am
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Huh? Can you elaborate on this a bit?
NFHS - team A gains control in their backcourt with 20 seconds remaining in the period. When 8 seconds shows on the clock, you call a 10 second violation. In this situation, you don't reset the clock to 10 seconds.

NBA - same situation, but you call an 8 second violation when 10.0 shows on the clock. Here, you would reset the clock to 12.0.
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NFHS - team A gains control in their backcourt with 20 seconds remaining in the period. When 8 seconds shows on the clock, you call a 10 second violation. In this situation, you don't reset the clock to 10 seconds.

NBA - same situation, but you call an 8 second violation when 10.0 shows on the clock. Here, you would reset the clock to 12.0.
That's because in the NBA, 8 seconds means 8 seconds.

In our Fed games, 10 seconds means that the official incremented his count 10 times, which could be anywhere from 9s to 12s (in most cases).
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That's because in the NBA, 8 seconds means 8 seconds.
Not quite true. If the dribbler was a member of the first or second all-star team, they get 10 seconds.
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