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[/B][/QUOTE]LOL, JR. I just ignored the post b/c halfway thru it, my head started to feel like it might explode. But you're right, of course. The offense is compounded by the fact that Juulie started this thread!!  Chuck
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I do not say a lot to the coach either. I have been taught to always handle all communication with three criteria: in a calm manner, with professionalism and never debate. While there are many phrases that work, each one depends upon the game as each coach is different, the games vary from night to night and everybody, including the coach can have a bad day.
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Thanks, folks for all the suggestions. I'm printing out the whole thread and processing it. The humor, the explaining, the listening, the acknowledgement, the agreement, the admission of posssible mistake -- I had already used in the first three quarters, and was pretty well mashed over. And what Crew said about some of the comments being inflammatory instead of helpful had been true, too. I was digging at the bottom of the barrel for tools -- and coming up empty-handed. The worst problem was that the coach had the fans all worked up. He didn't do it overtly, so I couldn't deal with it directly, but it became real obvious by half-time that he was playing to the crowd. And they were appreciating!! With 1.5 minutes left in the game, and the score tied, both coach and asst coach each with a T, and one player just having committed an intentional foul, which I suppose could have been called flagrant it was so rough, the fans were screaming at me about how I was about to lose the game for them, because of all my racial prejudices. I know we aren't supposed to listen to fans, but it got through. Especially since everyone on the bench was also screaming it.
So, at that point, what's left? I probably should have started tossing coaches, but my mentor said later that even that would not have been best. He (mentor) wanted me to walk away, and try to ignore the whole mess, and get the game over with. Have a sentence or two to say if I got stuck in front of the bench. Well, I'm still working on that last part. I've observed a few games where things were getting pretty heated and the ref went and talked to the coach and the game got done, but I don't know what was said. I think that's what Tom wants from me. Believe me, I'll be asking more questions at those games from now on!!!
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ive worked a few games with MR deNucci, but im not sure if he is an interpreter or not. I know he isnt for the TOledo association, consisting of approximately 225 officialsbut he might be for the Wood county Bowling green association, which consists of abuot 30 officials.i am members of both associations which has helped me to advance my career at my youthful age.
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Good idea to work with both groups. Keep up the good work. Yes, Mr Mark T. DeNucci does work for: Rules Interpreter & Instructional Chairman Wood Co. Bkb. Off. Assn. Bowling Green, Ohio mick a Yooper
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of things to calm things down with is good to have. But I think you were in way deeper than that and I'm going to disagree with your mentor in this regard - your one liner to the coach to get the game under control & done should have come way earlier. My advice? When you saw the coach was playing the crowd you might have had a quick word with him. Non-threatening, quietly, just you and he during a dead ball. "Coach, your behavior is undermining my authority and I can't have it." No one else should hear this, because you have laid down the law to him and let him know who's in charge. Either he'll get it and stop or he won't and then you have got to take him immediately. This guy wanted to make it personal between you and he, you needed to cut him off at the knees right away. IMO.
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"Coach, if that's the way it happened, then I missed it. But I just didn't see that."
I actually said this to a Coach a couple of weeks ago. Ball gets kicked around during a rebound, goes off Home team, but enough contact that I could have called a foul, (Mr.D, and all other non-Dark Side officals cover your ears)  so I gave it to home team, in order to save visting team a foul.Visiting team is yelling at me that I missed it. So I wentup to him and I said, "Coach, it went off your girl" He says "No it didn't, it went of their team" (Insert above excuse here) To which he replied, "Ok, I've missed a few tonight myself. Just don't miss another one." We both had a good laugh about it and parted ways. Classy Coach, and one time that saying I missed a call worked out.
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When you saw the coach was playing the crowd you might have had a quick word with him. Non-threatening, quietly, just you and he during a dead ball. "Coach, your behavior is undermining my authority and I can't have it." No one else should hear this, because you have laid down the law to him and let him know who's in charge. Either he'll get it and stop or he won't and then you have got to take him immediately. This guy wanted to make it personal between you and he, you needed to cut him off at the knees right away. IMO. [/B][/QUOTE] I agree. There are games where there is no good in talking, you just have to take care of business from the get go. Where was your partner during this? We are a team and should support each other. Hopefully the other official did.
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Juulie:
Obviously a tough spot to be in. The key is to differentiate between coaches you can talk to and coaches you can't. This guy appears from the thread to be one you couldn't talk to. At that point a simple "Coach I've had enough" might have sufficed. If not, the rules give you a powerful weapon that needs to be used at times. Another that I've used is "Coach, that's strike two and you know what happens on third". I also heard this approach "Coach, I'd really like you to see the end of this ballgame but it's really up to you whether you do or not". If the coach doesn't get the point after that, there is one signal that he/she will clearly understand "T". If not he/she might get to see it twice just so you're clear he/she understood it.
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Juulie, I like what Chuck said, "Coach, if it happened that way then I missed it." I use this line often. If a player comes up to me and says, "Eli, he hit me on the arm." "Chris, I saw him block the shot." "No, he hit me on the arm." "OK, Chris, if he hit you on the arm, I missed it." Try to not say "think" or "know". "Chris, I thought he blocked the shot." This sounds too unsure. "Chris, I know he blocked the shot." This sounds too cockcy and you might actually be wrong. I have told players or coaches the "I know" or "I am sure" comment only to see it on the tape and find out I am wrong. You can never go wrong with "I saw". You might of saw it wrong or missed it but your only human and your eyes can't catch everything. If Chris persists, I can say "Chris, I could of very well missed it. That is what I saw though. I am not going to get every call right."
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I have even had the experience of a player arguing about a foul call, "How can you call that, I didn't touch him!"
And when I said something like "You hit him on the arm" the player says "I didn't touch him" and I replied, " Ok, I might have missed it then." the player actually said, "Alright, good call." Huh?  Hey, whatever works.
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Rainmaker,
Was there one incident in the game where the coach got upset or was he/she a jerk from the beginning? Someone on this forum once told me to ignore the coach until it started interferring with my ability to call the game, then T him/her up. If the coach keeps howling, perhaps what you need to say is "Goodbye."
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