Figure this one out

[kmw]

We had this discussion at our association meeting. It is not our responsibility to tell coaches what they have left. If I check the book, it is for my crews knowledge not coaches. If a coach asks, I will tell them to have their assistant check at table.

In the situation you state - no choice but a technical against them. If the book is wrong - its wrong - nothing more. Tell the coach you have to go by what home scorer has.

[blindzebra]

The only time we are giving the timeouts left is when they are out.

We don't keep track and we are not messengers, so until they use their last one, it's the teams responsibility.

[CLH]

I had nearly this same situation earlier this year in a BIG game. Coach went ballistic, problem was, scorer was correct the whole time, HIS asst screwed up told him he had 1 left. No choice but to assess the technical. When it comes down to it, coach has to maintain them "in-house" so to speak. Theres nothing to sort out, if scored told him he had 2, he needed to verify with his bookkeeper, don't just assume. Good lesson for him.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by CLH

I had nearly this same situation earlier this year in a BIG game. Coach went ballistic, problem was, scorer was correct the whole time, HIS asst screwed up told him he had 1 left. No choice but to assess the technical. When it comes down to it, coach has to maintain them "in-house" so to speak. Theres nothing to sort out, if scored told him he had 2, he needed to verify with his bookkeeper, don't just assume. Good lesson for him.

Actually the scorer did screw up.

They are required through an official to inform a team when they lose their final TO.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Actually the scorer did screw up.

They are required through an official to inform a team when they lose their final TO.

And I'm wondering how the scorer suddenly discovered this in the middle of the time out. Me thinks maybe all the facts for this story aren't available.

TonyT, how did you ascertain the facts to this story?

[mick]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLH
I had nearly this same situation earlier this year in a BIG game. Coach went ballistic, problem was, scorer was correct the whole time, HIS asst screwed up told him he had 1 left. No choice but to assess the technical. When it comes down to it, coach has to maintain them "in-house" so to speak. Theres nothing to sort out, if scored told him he had 2, he needed to verify with his bookkeeper, don't just assume. Good lesson for him.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Actually the scorer did screw up.

They are required through an official to inform a team when they lose their final TO.

Sounds to me that the scorer did notify someone that the coach used his last time-out. Otherwise, why would he be mad?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by mick

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Sounds to me that the scorer did notify someone that the coach used his last time-out. Otherwise, why would he be mad?

The idea...and the rule...is to tell them before they call an extra one, not after.

So when team A uses their 5th TO, the scorer should be telling the reporting official that they are out and that official should then carry that info to the huddle of team A.

Sure a team should no their TO situation but that does not excuse the scorer or officials from doing what is required of them in their duties.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

The idea...and the rule...is to tell them before they call an extra one, not after.

So when team A uses their 5th TO, the scorer should be telling the reporting official that they are out and that official should then carry that info to the huddle of team A.

Sure a team should no their TO situation but that does not excuse the scorer or officials from doing what is required of them in their duties.

I know the rules dude, we told him, he screwed it up. My only mistake was letting him stay in the game after he went ballistic on us. I won't make that one twice

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

They are required through an official to inform a team when they lose their final TO.

How do you lose a time out? Does it drop out of the book or something?

HAHA - couldn't help it. Ran out of meds this morning.

[gordon30307]

The official book is at the table. Coach was acting on info. given to him from the "official book". I know the rule but it seems a rather harsh punishment for a mistake that occurred because table screwed up. How do you know the scorer wasn't cheating? Isn't there a way to fix this? I don't understand the reluctance on telling both teams how many time outs they have in a tight game. I want to prevent this from happening.

[blindzebra]

2-11-6...tells us exactly what is supposed to be done.

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

2-11-6...tells us exactly what is supposed to be done.

Art. 6... Record the time-out information charged to each team (who and when) and notify a team and its coach, through an official, whenever that team is granted its final allotted charged time-out.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

2-11-6...tells us exactly what is supposed to be done.

And if the Home Scorer is caught cheating. What do you do? I suppose you can go by the book. But still it would be an awful way to lose a game.

[mick]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

The official book is at the table. Coach was acting on info. given to him from the "official book". I know the rule but it seems a rather harsh punishment for a mistake that occurred because table screwed up. How do you know the scorer wasn't cheating? Isn't there a way to fix this? I don't understand the reluctance on telling both teams how many time outs they have in a tight game. I want to prevent this from happening.

gordon30307,
I don't see it as a reluctance. I see it as, "If I didn't know how many you have left, it ain't my problem." and "I only know if you are out of 'em."
Personally, I like to know.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Isn't there a way to fix this?

No.