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Nothing in the present rules suggests that it is disallowed to play OOB. Coaches teach to put a foot OOB when defending on a player who's dribbling along the sideline and the same Fred Horgan says this is allowed; you can "play OOB" during a throw in after a basket. Last, the rule about going OOB deliberately to obtain an advantage has been canceled. Personally I still continue to consider this worthy of a warning and a T after that (or an immediate T if blatant). But I would be very careful to use the elastic power to say "violation for going OOB". There's only one case when "going OOB" is a violation and it's very different: it's 17.3.2 (breaking the plane during a throw in) and has actually nothing to do with being OOB, since a player can violate even being in bounds. My main point is: that rule existed (T after warning or immediate T). Since it's not there any more, there are two cases: (a) they forgot to carry it over during a revision; (b) they don't think it's illegal. I'm with (a), let's wait for the people in Geneva to wake up. Ciao |
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"Nothing in the present rules suggests that it is disallowed to play OOB. Coaches teach to put a foot OOB when defending on a player who's dribbling along the sideline and the same Fred Horgan says this is allowed; you can "play OOB" during a throw in after a basket. Last, the rule about going OOB deliberately to obtain an advantage has been canceled" Somehow I think you are contradicting yourself. Anything deliberately done by the offensive team to gain an unfair advantage is a violation. Putting a foot OOB to defend is a nothing as they, the defenders do not have control of the ball and cannot lose possession. What does your Rules Interpreter say? have you aked him/her? cheers.......Nick
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For example, why should the infraction be limited to the offensive team? Isn't it an unfair advantage for the defense going OOB to avoid a screen along the baseline? Again, you can't call a violation for "illegally going OOB". There's nothing in the rules that supports this call: it's either a T (possibly a warning at the first occurrence for each team) or nothing. The rules decide what are the unfair advantages which are a violation; for example, deliberately kicking the ball is a violation for either team and is not limited to the offensive team. Some case not covered by the rules can happen; the referee decides what to do and after that it is possible that the rule committee issues an official interpretation or a new rule. Some years ago it became frequent to go OOB in order to avoid a 3 second violation or a screen and the committee issued the rule we are talking about. The concept of unfair advantage changes: it used to be basket interference to play the ball inside the cylinder, now it's not (FIBA rules, of course). Canceling a rule has a meaning just as adding a new one: when the cylinder rule was canceled it became legal to play the ball inside it. Talking by paradox: the rule about going OOB was there, now it's been canceled; therefore now it's legal. No, I don't think it is. |
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The reason for this is simple. While each country plays under FIBA rules, and usually implements the entire FIBA rulebook, there may be individual differences between FIBA member states. For example, when the possession arrow was introduced to FIBA rules, Basketball Australia (the local governing body) decided not to implement it as per the FIBA rules, but instead to wait 6 months - this was due to the timing of the rule change and the Australian basketball season. As a result, an official FIBA endorsed rulebook was published in Australia - while it was a FIBA publication, it only applied to Australia. In a similar way, the casebook that you have is a FIBA publication, but it is only relevant to FIBA North America. FIBA only publishes 5 documents relevant to refereeing:
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The casebook is published by FIBA, copyrighted by FIBA and edited by FIBA. So I am pretty confident there IS a casebook available to officials and it is not just for 2 countries. Perhaps your association did not want to spend the money. Here is the contact information for getting copies: FIBA Chemin de Blandonnet 8 PO Box 715 CH-1214 Vernier Geneva, Switzerland. Telephone: 41 22 545 0000 email: [email protected] |
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There was an answer by Fred Horgan:
Question: A player goes out of bounds in order to avoid a screen, a 3 second violation or, more generally, to take an advantage. There's no mention of this in the present rule book, but there used to be. What's the correct procedure? What rules can support the official's decisions? Answer: Depending of the circumstances, a technical foul could be called. However, the FIBA philosophy is that a warning should be given before calling a technical on a repetition of that infraction. This warning applies to all players of both teams and is therefore delivered to the coaches as well. Ciao |
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intresting indeed, well it seams that we are more or less agreed, but still... I don't like the fact that I can't take up my rulebook point it to the coach and say "it's in here", becuse it's not!
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The problem is, as I said, that the rule used to be written, but has disappeared. It's a case similar to that of the rule about BI after a foul on the shooter: for a period of time it was legal to touch the ball after it had hit the ring and was still over ring level. Now it's not, because they realized to have forgotten to carry on the exception from a previous edition. Ciao |
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[II was the one who got the fiba casebooks into NZ and as I bought them from Steve Smith at Coffs Harbour and he is the FIBA Oceania sec.general I guess they must be official and available for you ib Australia also? |
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