Going OOB=T?-FIBA

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The Canuck

What do YOU think?

Without rules support, I think both cases are being overly officious.

I suppose the difference is you still have a case play to support the one; even if the rule is non-existent.

[The Canuck]

But there are rules about rough play on free throws... personal fouls!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The Canuck

But there are rules about rough play on free throws... personal fouls!

Yup, but there's no rule that requires the players to keep their hands within the various planes around their lane spaces; yet I've seen officials warn the players to stay "straight up" or "within your lanes."

[Ref_in_Alberta]

As a offical who works games played under FIBA rules this is how I'd haddle this...

While there is no specific rule that I have found about leaving the court for an un-authorized reason; the game of basketball is meant to be played within the boundary lines. A player the continues to play outside of the spirit of the game needs to be dealt with. Enforcement of this could fall under Rule 8, Art 46, Sec 13 which states "The referee has the power to make decisions on any point not specifically covered by the rules"

If you as an official believe that a player leaving the floor gains an unfair advantage, it is your responsibility to deal with it. I'd warn first because it's the fair thing to do and if it happens again I'd assess a technical foul under rule
38.3.1 "a technical foul is a player non-contact foul of a behavioural nature including, but not limited to:

-Disregarding warnings by the officials.
- etc...

My 2 cents...

[Oz Referee]

I agree that a player intentionally leaving the boundaries of the court in order to gain an advantage could be a technical foul. I have called such a situation only once (in 20 years of refereeing), when a player ran around the outside of the court to avoid a defensive player.

However looking at the 2006 FIBA rules, I can't find anything that specifically mentions it. The best I could come up with was:

38.1.2 Each team shall do its best to secure victory, but this must be done in the spirit of sportsmanship and fair play.

This seems to me to be a provision that makes "cheating" a technical foul, even if there isn't a specific mention of it elsewhere in the rules.

Oh, as an aisde, a few people made mention that this is mentioned "in the casebook", there is NO casebook for FIBA, so I assume you are talking NFHS/NCAA?

Cheers

Duane

[mick]

Originally Posted by Oz Referee

... Cheers
Duane

Duane,
From July to December one of our locals was in Melbourne and working some hoops while his wife was working a real job.
He had glowing comments about your country.

[NICK]

Yes Duane, there is a Fiba casebook dated 2004 available in NZ so it must have been available in Oz, I have one.
cheers.........Nick

[stmaryrams]

It seems that even if there was something in the book in the past, it's rarely called. That is why NFHS changed their ruling to a violation for gaining an advantage on going off the court to avoid a screen. Now you do see it called more frequently. Until that time I had only seen it called once.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Oz Referee

Oh, as an aisde, a few people made mention that this is mentioned "in the casebook", there is NO casebook for FIBA, so I assume you are talking NFHS/NCAA?

Duane I was assigned a casebook with my rule book, mechanics, equipment,interpretations, etc. So it must be somewhere out there.

[crazy voyager]

Yup, but there's no rule that requires the players to keep their hands within the various planes around their lane spaces; yet I've seen officials warn the players to stay "straight up" or "within your lanes."

There is, somewhere, either in the interpetations or the rules or in some training material I have. I don't know
I can't find where it's written right now, how ever, there are two types of lines. Lines who act like a wall and lines with air above them.
When you're standing at a FT the line around you is a wall, you're not allowed to cross it before the shooter has released the ball.
I'll try and find it for you, but I'm absolutley sure I'm right about this one.

Yes Duane, there is a Fiba casebook dated 2004 available in NZ so it must have been available in Oz, I have one.
cheers.........Nick

There is, according to fiba.com, no official casebook for FIBA.
How ever I belive that some local fiba-associations have produced own casebooks. But there is no world-wide fiba casebook.
from FIBA.com

: Where can I get a FIBA Casebook?

There is no FIBA Casebook. FIBA does not publish casebooks.

I think that this is (like I sad) way to vauge for me to call it.
Even though the game should be played inbounds, I can't go and T a player just becuse I say that this is the rule and he then must listen. That'll just turn the players against you (since they'll think that you're making up the rules).
I don't know, but I don't like the idea of a phantom or ghost rule wich some call and some don't, it seams that nobody has some real and plain text of it, and until I get it. I won't call this...

[canuckref]

Originally Posted by Oz Referee

I agree that a player intentionally leaving the boundaries of the court in order to gain an advantage could be a technical foul. I have called such a situation only once (in 20 years of refereeing), when a player ran around the outside of the court to avoid a defensive player.

However looking at the 2006 FIBA rules, I can't find anything that specifically mentions it. The best I could come up with was:

38.1.2 Each team shall do its best to secure victory, but this must be done in the spirit of sportsmanship and fair play.

This seems to me to be a provision that makes "cheating" a technical foul, even if there isn't a specific mention of it elsewhere in the rules.

Oh, as an aisde, a few people made mention that this is mentioned "in the casebook", there is NO casebook for FIBA, so I assume you are talking NFHS/NCAA?

Cheers

Duane

I have in front of me something called:

Fiba Official Basketball Rules World Edition Casebook - 2006 Published by Fiba, 80 pages long. I will try and find an internet link to the book for you.

Update: I found a link to a PDF file. It says its 2004 casebook but appears the same as 2006 version I have, Article 38-5 is the same, good luck with the download:
http://zone1officials.homestead.com/..._Case_Book.pdf

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by canuckref

I have in front of me something called:

Fiba Official Basketball Rules World Edition Casebook - 2006 Published by Fiba, 80 pages long. I will try and find an internet link to the book for you.

Update: I found a link to a PDF file. It says its 2004 casebook but appears the same as 2006 version I have, Article 38-5 is the same, good luck with the download:
http://zone1officials.homestead.com/..._Case_Book.pdf

Q: Where can I get a FIBA Casebook?
There is no FIBA Casebook. FIBA does not publish casebooks.

I believe this is a Canadian thing, which has never been officially approved by FIBA. I don't know why. There are some rule interpretations each year which can be found on FIBA.com, but no casebook.

Actually 38-5 seems to be what we were looking for; on the other hand, the wording in 38-7 seems to recall the rule I remember was in the rule book (and disappeared).

[crazy voyager]

Weird, this really looks like an official world wide casebook, just read the introduction.
And cases 38-5 and 38-7 specificly talks about what we have mentioned...
Well then I guess I'll call it if I ever see it again...
Thanks for the link, this one will be usefull!