6 Men on the Floor

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

I was referring to counting the number of players on each team, prior to the start of the game, to verify that they match the number of players in the scorebook. Again, I always do this in high school, but rarely for rec ball.

What if a player is a little late getting there? Or a player is in the dressing room having a dump? Does your plan go down the dumper then too?

Let the scorer do his job.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What if a player is a little late getting there? Or a player is in the dressing room having a dump? Does your plan go down the dumper then too?

Let the scorer do his job.

"Let the scorer do his job" By this, do you mean do their job by adding the player to the book when they (the player) arrive? If so, this is a T. A coach should always be aware of the team he his putting forth that day. If he knows a kid is gonna be late, then it's the coach's repsonsibility to make sure that player is listed properly in the book prior to the start of the game, even though they're not there yet.

There is no penalty for having a player listed in the book who does not play, nor does that player even have to be present that day. But adding a player to the book, who is not listed, comes at the expense of a T.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

If he knows a kid is gonna be late, then it's the coach's repsonsibility to make sure that player is listed properly in the book prior to the start of the game, even though they're not there yet.

That was my point. If you're counting the players, then how can you account for any players that are late, in the dressing room, etc.?

[loners4me]

Now I'm interested/confused.

Jurassic, so do you just wait for a book keeping error to be brought to your attention?

Man, I always count pre-game.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Jurassic, so do you just wait for a book keeping error to be brought to your attention?

Yes.

And if one does get brought to my attention, I don't blame myself either.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Now I'm interested/confused.

Jurassic, so do you just wait for a book keeping error to be brought to your attention?

Man, I always count pre-game.

What can you do about it before the game anyway? When you check the book at 10:00, if a player isn't listed what difference does it make? They can't change the book right then without a T. If they don't change the book then, you penalize it when that player checks into the game - again, the same whether you count or not.

I know officials who count and I know officials who don't. I did when I started because other officials I was with did. Now I don't, because I just don't really care to add anything else to the process, and I finally figured out that it didn't matter whether the number of players matched.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That was my point. If you're counting the players, then how can you account for any players that are late, in the dressing room, etc.?

You can't...As I said previously, checking the book doesn't totally eliminate the possibility of a player not being listed, but this is good preventative officiating at the very least.

I wish I had my rule book with me, because I could swear it's in there. I'm looking all over the web for an online rule book...anybody know a site that hosts one?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If you're counting the players, then how can you account for any players that are late, in the dressing room, etc.?

I don't have time to get out my old IAABO Refresher Exams, but about three years ago, there was a question about a player who missed the bus, and was coming late, having his name, and number, written in the book. According to IAABO, not sure about NFHS, this player's name was not allowed to be written in the book. I got the question wrong. Do any IAABO members remember this stupid question?

When I was coaching, I wrote in all the names and numbers or all 14 of my players,, in numerical order, in the book for every game, even if they were sick, injured, etc. It made it easier to copy the list from game to game.

On our local board, we're told to count the players warming up, and when the referee checks the book, he, or she, makes sure that there are an equal number of players in the book, or more players in the book than are on the floor. If there are less, he, or she, tries to figure out the problem, before the 10 minute mark.

[mick]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I don't have time to get out my old IAABO Refresher Exams, but about three years ago, there was a question about a player who missed the bus, and was coming late, having his name, and number, written in the book. According to IAABO, not the NFHS, this player's name was not allowed to be written in the book. I got the question wrong. Do any IAABO members remember this stupid question?

When I was coaching, I wrote in all the names and numbers or all 14 of my players,, in numerical order, in the book for every game, even if they were sick, injured, etc. It made it easier to copy the list from game to game.

On our local board, we're told to count the players warming up, and when the referee checks the book, he, or she, makes sure that there are an equal number of players in the book, or more players in the book than are on the floor. If there are less, he, or she, tries to figure out the problem, before the 10 minute mark.

(A memory peaked) :
A hunert years ago, 1965, I spent three days away from high school to take a physical for a university. I showed up during warm-ups, and though I didn't start, I did get to play.

My approval for playing eligibilty, eventhough I missed three days, was that I had to use 3 of my 5 skip slips that I earned for not missing a day in school since the 5th grade.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by mick
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My approval for playing eligibilty, eventhough I missed three days, was that I had to use 3 of my 5 skip slips that I earned for not missing a day in school since the 5th grade. [/SIZE]

Holy cow. Watch out Padgett -- with lines like this, he's trying to steal your thunder.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Holy cow. Watch out Padgett -- with lines like this, he's trying to steal your thunder.

I'm older.
Padgett's better looking.
I can cook.
Padgett's better looking.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by mick

(A memory peaked) :
My approval for playing eligibilty, eventhough I missed three days, was that I had to use 3 of my 5 skip slips that I earned for not missing a day in school since the 5th grade.

Wow. Not one day missed even though you had to trudge 6 miles through hip deep snow every single day uphill both ways.

You are my hero.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Wow. Not one day missed even though you had to trudge 6 miles through hip deep snow every single day uphill both ways.

You are my hero.

Big deal. I trudged 10 miles and backwards!

[mick]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Wow. Not one day missed even though you had to trudge 6 miles through hip deep snow every single day uphill both ways.

You are my hero.

I only missed a 1/2-day in 5th grade for comfirmation practice.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I don't have time to get out my old IAABO Refresher Exams, but about three years ago, there was a question about a player who missed the bus, and was coming late, having his name, and number, written in the book. According to IAABO, not sure about NFHS, this player's name was not allowed to be written in the book. I got the question wrong. Do any IAABO members remember this stupid question?

I remember that and I remember disagreeing strongly with it.

I also know a few D-I refs who have insisted that the number in the book equal the number they see out on the court during warm-ups. Do any of you NCAA guys know if this was a directive from above or just a few guys/gals doing their own thing?

FWIW, all I care about is that the number of players in the book is >= the number of players I see warming up.