time put back on the clock??

[Moshiner1345]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Technically if the whistle was before the horn, the foul was before the whistle, so it stands to reason that their should be some time on the clock. Since the tenths doesn't show on the clock then your only way of getting definitive knowledge would be by the timer who can see tenths on the console.

Okay here is my question, We shot the 2 free throws with the lane cleared under the impression that no time existed on the clock. Then after the two made baskets, the timer tells the Referee there was .2 secs left on his (timer's) score board control box. What do we do then. There is Definite knowledge by the timer that .2 secs existed.

Do we just give it to team A for the throw in with .2 secs,
Or
Do we cancel the free throws B just made, line the guys up, and shoot two more?

That's where I get confused...

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Moshiner1345

Okay here is my question, We shot the 2 free throws with the lane cleared under the impression that no time existed on the clock. Then after the two made baskets, the timer tells the Referee there was .2 secs left on his (timer's) score board control box. What do we do then. There is Definite knowledge by the timer that .2 secs existed.

Do we just give it to team A for the throw in with .2 secs,
Or
Do we cancel the free throws B just made, line the guys up, and shoot two more?

That's where I get confused...

Put .2 on the clock and go POI. No way to cancel a merited free throw unless the throws were attempted by the wrong shooter.

[Moshiner1345]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Put .2 on the clock and go POI. No way to cancel a merited free throw unless the throws were attempted by the wrong shooter.

Say he missed the 2nd free throw... The POI is... alternating possession?

[bob jenkins]

I would have let it go (that is, end the game with the FTs) and not put any time back on the clock. There was no obvious timing error.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I would have let it go (that is, end the game with the FTs) and not put any time back on the clock. There was no obvious timing error.

I would have to agree with Bob on this one. However if the "R" is making a big enough deal about putting .2 back on then I'm saying by rule he can.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

I would have to agree with Bob on this one. However if the "R" is making a big enough deal about putting .2 back on then I'm saying by rule he can.

What rule?

Rainmaker gave the applicable rule-- rule 5-6-2EXCEPTION3. Bob Jenkins was correct. There was no timing error. The timer simply couldn't stop the clock before time expired. There's no rules basis that I'm aware of under NFHS rules that will allow you to put time back on the clock. There's no monitor to use--like NCAA rules.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What rule?

Rainmaker gave the applicable rule-- rule 5-6-2EXCEPTION3. Bob Jenkins was correct. There was no timing error. The timer simply couldn't stop the clock before time expired. There's no rules basis that I'm aware of under NFHS rules that will allow you to put time back on the clock. There's no monitor to use--like NCAA rules.

I agree that I wouldn't have done anything on this other then shoot the throws and leave. However I think the rule book would back up either situation.

5-6-2 Ex. 3 would back up calling it and leaving and Rule 5-10-1 in addition to applying Case play 5.10.1 Sit. D would back the ruling to add .2 back to the clock since it would be exact time observed by the timer which is also considered definitive knowledge.

In my game I'm calling it and leaving. In the OP's play the rule book would back the "R" up by putting up .2 and playing on.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's no monitor to use--like NCAA rules.

FYI...the ncaa rule I posted is the the no monitor version.

FWIW... *IF* I thought the lag was there and *IF* I thought the timer had definite knowledge I would put the additional .2 on the clock. I would definitely not put it on after the FTs were attempted.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Moshiner1345

Say he missed the 2nd free throw... The POI is... alternating possession?

If he misses then AP would be the only way to continue. Obviously I think we can agree that this was done azz backwards!

[Moshiner1345]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

If he misses then AP would be the only way to continue. Obviously I think we can agree that this was done azz backwards!

I agree. The situation was a mess. The whole night was a mess. Our Scheduled third didn't show, so The AD called the Middle school AD (the school was a few blocks away) and had one of the 6th grade officials come from the middle school to complete the crew.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Moshiner1345

Do we cancel the free throws B just made, line the guys up, and shoot two more?

That's where I get confused...

Let's get rid of some of your confusion. You can never (NEVER) cancel FTs & replay in this sitch.

The only guidance I know of comes from the ncaa, rule 5 section 11

Section 11. Timing Mistakes and Malfunctions
The following articles pertain to mistakes and malfunctions in games played without a replay/television equipment. For timing mistakes and malfunctions in games with replay/television equipment, see Rule 2-13.
Art. 1. When an obvious timing mistake has occurred because of the failure to start or stop the game clock properly, the mistake shall be corrected only when the referee has definite information relative to the time involved. Such a mistake shall be corrected during the first dead ball but before the next/second live ball is touched inbounds or out of bounds by a player other than the thrower-in.

It was too late for the R to fix this, at least by ncaa rules.