Tapping an airborne shooter

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If the hand in the face contacts the shooter, are you still saying that no foul has occurred? A tap on the face certainly might just distract the shooter a tetch also.

Sorry, but any contact by a defender that was deliberately done to distract the shooter, and the tap attained it's goal, is a foul. If the tap actually distracted the shooter, the defender is gaining an unfair advantage that was never intended by the rules.

Sorry, but using contact to distract a shooter is a foul. Always has been. Always will be.

This IMO is truely the bottom line. Contact intended to throw off a shot = foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Sackosh1t.

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

Furthermore...I wave my private parts at your aunties.

[Dan_ref]

[deecee]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

This IMO is truely the bottom line. Contact intended to throw off a shot = foul.

Some would have you believe differently. They would undermine the core beliefs we hold near and dear. They threaten our economy and our very way of life. We call them terrorists. Seems like good ol Al'Qaeda had finally found out how to undermine society through bad officiating and screwing up athletic contests.

Anyway homeland security should be along shortly to clean the mess up. Keep at it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

District 1A playoff...Team A down by 12 with 3 minutes left in the game.

A1 goes up for a 3pt. shot...
B1 taps A1's leg, with his hand... in the official's judgement B1 did this on purpose to distract the airborne shooter...A1 misses the shot.

B1 has 4 fouls

Watta ya got?

1) Nuthin'

2) Foul on B1...B1 is disqualified...A1 shoots 3 FT's

3) Technical Foul on B1 for Unsportsmanlike conduct...B1 is disqualified...Team A shoots 2 FT's, with the lane cleared, and has the ball at the division line opposite the table for a Throw-in.

Did you consider the fact that B1 had 4 fouls to be significant?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by deecee

Anyway homeland security should be along shortly to clean the mess up.

I very much doubt their ability to perform on any aspect of this statement.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Look at it as the same as if A2 just turned and pushed B2 for no discernable reason. It is an unsporting act, but you can also call it an intentional personal foul on A2. It's also basically has the same result rules-wise, except for the throw-in spot, and it meets the rules definition.

Jurassic Referee: Why are you being so polite to me? I expected to come home from work, get online, and get blasted for posting something as stupid as I did, but instead, I get a polite response, as if I were asking an important, interesting, or realistic question. In the past you have posted that you have never shared with us your gender. Could it be that you being nice to me because it's Saint Valentine's Day. By the way, I'm a male Billy, not a female Billie. "Not that there's anything wrong with that".

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Jurassic Referee: Why are you being so polite to me? I expected to come home from work, get online, and get blasted for posting something as stupid as I did, but instead, I get a polite response, as if I were asking an important, interesting, or realistic question. In the past you have posted that you have never shared with us your gender. Could it be that you being nice to me because it's Saint Valentine's Day. By the way, I'm a male Billy, not a female Billie. "Not that there's anything wrong with that".

Billy, you asked a legitimate question. I answered it to the best of my ability.

Sometimes, it kinda seems that you just think way too much about inconsequential stuff. This is a discussion board. Take what you can out out of it and simply ignore the other stuff without worrying about anybody else.

Of course, I do gotta admit that I was kinda hurt that I never got a valentine from you.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sycophant.

Oooh, Greek roots. Good for you! Show the fig, baby!

[lmeadski]

This is a foul for this reason: the stomach area is a bit more sensitive than other areas of the body. A tap there can force the stomach muscles to contract. That contraction will most certainly affect a kids shot. Now, can we tell if the tap truly distracted the shooter and caused a muscle reflex? Unless the shooter doubles over, probably not. However, having played and having been tapped in the stomach while shooting, I can tell you it can be a MAJOR shot altering event. Players attempt this/do this because they KNOW the affect it has on the shooter. No question in my mind: foul. I called this last year during a tourney. The kid asked why the call. I explained the stomach tap and the distraction. He just smiled, he understood. He didn't do it again the rest of the game. Foul.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Billy, you asked a legitimate question. I answered it to the best of my ability.

Sometimes, it kinda seems that you just think way too much about inconsequential stuff. This is a discussion board. Take what you can out out of it and simply ignore the other stuff without worrying about anybody else.

Of course, I do gotta admit that I was kinda hurt that I never got a valentine from you.

Lord I can't believe they let you two get away with all this fawning.

Get a room please.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by lmeadski

This is a foul for this reason: the stomach area is a bit more sensitive than other areas of the body. A tap there can force the stomach muscles to contract. That contraction will most certainly affect a kids shot. Now, can we tell if the tap truly distracted the shooter and caused a muscle reflex? Unless the shooter doubles over, probably not. However, having played and having been tapped in the stomach while shooting, I can tell you it can be a MAJOR shot altering event. Players attempt this/do this because they KNOW the affect it has on the shooter. No question in my mind: foul. I called this last year during a tourney. The kid asked why the call. I explained the stomach tap and the distraction. He just smiled, he understood. He didn't do it again the rest of the game. Foul.

Thanks for reminding me what it was like to "tapped" in the stomach.

I will be more aware of this from now on.

[Raymond]

So, can someone provide a list of body parts that are and aren't allowed to be tapped during a shot?

Elbow: NO
Leg: YES
Stomach: ???
Nose: ???

[ref2coach]

Back in HS we had an assistant coach who would play 1 on 1 with any player to 10 points with the "bet" being a Pizza. He was ~5'10", overweight but a great shooter. His caveat being that he was allowed 3 "got-cha" fouls. So first time you would go up for a shot he will "flick" very forcefully your "very venerable" male anatomy, and say "got-cha". Rest of game all he had to say was "got-cha" and you would flinch to the point that you could not concentrate on your shot. Not all "taps" are created equal.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by lmeadski

This is a foul for this reason: the stomach area is a bit more sensitive than other areas of the body. A tap there can force the stomach muscles to contract. That contraction will most certainly affect a kids shot.

No offense, but this is the silliest thing I've read in a while.