Inadvertant whistle

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Loose ball in A's frontcourt after A lost it...........several touches by both teams, Ref toots inadvertantly. Go with AP?

Define "loose ball". That's not a "rule book" term (for FED or NCAA).

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Define "loose ball". That's not a "rule book" term (for FED or NCAA).

Any ball that is not in player control while the ball is live and is not a try or tap?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Any ball that is not in player control while the ball is live and is not a try or tap?

If that's the definition, then there's not enough information to answer the question.

[Jurassic Referee]

Fwiw......

NFHS rule 4-12-4--"While the ball remains live, a loose ball always remains in control of the team whose player last had control, unless it it is a try or tap for goal."

If no one else established player and thus team control after A lost the ball, then it's A's ball at the POI.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Define "loose ball". That's not a "rule book" term (for FED or NCAA).

See JR's subsequent post.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by fullor30

See JR's subsequent post.

My subsequent post was a little hazy. It possibly assumed something that it shouldn't have.

The rule is clear as to what a loose ball is and who has player control(if any) of that loose ball. What isn't clear in the OP is how the ball became loose--i.e. how team A lost it.

On a IW, you go to the POI. If the ball became loose as a result of a try, and subsequently neither team established control before the IW, then the POI is an AP. If it came loose by any other means, and subsequently neither team established control before the IW, then the POI is an a throw-in to team A.

Without knowing how the ball became "loose", you can't answer the question. I think that's what Bob was pointing out. I know that Bob knows the correct way to rule on the play.

Hope that makes it a little clearer.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

My subsequent post was a little hazy. It possibly assumed something that it shouldn't have.

The rule is clear as to what a loose ball is and who has player control(if any) of that loose ball. What isn't clear in the OP is how the ball became loose--i.e. how team A lost it.

On a IW, you go to the POI. If the ball became loose as a result of a try, and subsequently neither team established control before the IW, then the POI is an AP. If it came loose by any other means, and subsequently neither team established control before the IW, then the POI is an AP.

Without knowing how the ball became "loose", you can't answer the question. I think that's what Bob was pointing out. I know that Bob knows the correct way to rule on the play.

Hope that makes it a little clearer.

More or less correct. I was trying to get fullor30 to ask a "referee" question (which would make the answer obvious to him, I think) instead of a "fan" question.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

More or less correct. I was trying to get fullor30 to ask a "referee" question (which would make the answer obvious to him, I think) instead of a "fan" question.

That's kinda what I was assuming.

Note that I had to go back and edit my previous post because I screwed up the ruling too. If it wasn't a try, team gets a throw-in per POI. I put an AP down instead for some stoopid reason.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

More or less correct. I was trying to get fullor30 to ask a "referee" question (which would make the answer obvious to him, I think) instead of a "fan" question.

I assumed by the word lost, it didn't imply a try. You're correct, I should use ref terminology to get point across as not to cause confusion.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I assumed by the word lost, it didn't imply a try.

You lose control on a try also. Hence the confusion from a rules standpoint.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You loose control on a try also. Hence the confusion from a rules standpoint.

I beieve that is a loose interpretation of the rule...
I would check on the rule in my rule book, but I always seem to lose my rule book when I need it the most.

Sorry JR...just being a smartazz...