Nova vs Georgetown

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by pizanno

3) if you can ignore the foul, you can ignore the toe (EDGING) the line and let's go to overtime

Stoopid statement. One is a judgment call; the other one isn't. It's that simple.

[Refneck]

After looking at the replay from the vantage point of the official, I think it's just one of those times when the circumstances create a bad situation. It's an easy no call if Wallace doesn't go out of bounds. But, if you see the replay, the fist goes up right after the foot hit the line. It's actually a good case of a patient whistle, but I think the official was put in a box by the player going out of bounds.

I agree with Bilas up until his "ignore" the out of bounds comment. You just can't do that, and that is why this play stinks all the way around. Maybe the best choice was to pass on the foul and call Georgetown OOB. At least that wouldn't have put anyone on the line. Tough spot...

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Refneck

Maybe the best choice was to pass on the foul and call Georgetown OOB. At least that wouldn't have put anyone on the line. Tough spot...

So, ignore the illegal contact and give the ball back to Nova? That's just not acceptable, IMO.

The real problem here is that there was .1 left. If there had been 2.1, then there's a ton less controversy. You can't give Nova the ball back with 2.1 on the clock. And, the crying would have been much less with 2.1 because Nova would have had a chance to get the ball down and get a shot off.

But, the official has no way of knowing exactly how much time is left. He's got to call the play, and while I'm sure he'd rather not have had to call that, it was the right call based on the play...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Refneck

..... but I think the official was put in a box by the player going out of bounds.

That pretty much sums it up right there imo.

[hbioteach]

Good foul call. My 1st reaction was bad call. Defender contact forced player out of bounds. No choice but to call the foul.

Anyone see the NOVA layup with about 10 seconds left in the half. Picks up dribble, takes 3 steps, No call?

[Reffing Rev.]

Didn't see it, just read about it...

Can picture it...

Got to call the foul, Big Brother is always watching and Big Brother might say no foul call is okay, but Big Brother gets a good look in high definition at the line...Takes guts, the kind of guts that gets you on that floor that night.

I can say I've been forced into certain calls by player's actions and I really "hate" to make that call because it does "decide" the game, but the player's actions dictated it.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Didn't see it, just read about it...

Can picture it...

Got to call the foul, Big Brother is always watching and Big Brother might say no foul call is okay, but Big Brother gets a good look in high definition at the line...Takes guts, the kind of guts that gets you on that floor that night.

I can say I've been forced into certain calls by player's actions and I really "hate" to make that call because it does "decide" the game, but the player's actions dictated it.

Well said!!! Its funny how we as officials are being critical, @ times, of officials who have to make a call @ the end of the game. The official didn't cause the contact. The player should've realized where they were @ in the game and make sure not to foul.

You can't ignore contact that causes a loss of possession. Its a foul, the official didn't cause the foul. His whistle is a result of the Nova's player's stupidity!!! The player goofed not the official.

If Jay Bilas is such a expert on what, when, & how to call the game then he should put on the stripes, strap on a whistle, & blow!!! That guy is a horses Azz. Its to easy for him to pin the mistake on the official and not the player.

The same holds true for the Rutgers/Tennessee game. Were busy trying to prove that the officials "ROBBED" Rutgers when it was the Rutgers player who put the officials in the position to have to make the call in the first place.

[TheViper]

Bad Call, regardless of situation. Not that technically this wasn't a foul, because by definition, it definitely was a foul. The way this game was called throughout merits a no call in this situation. People were killing each other the whole game, and it was getting let go. Hell, they weren't even calling kicks in this game. But if that official really thought that was a foul, then Georgetown committed murder on Scottie Reynolds right before he turned it over with 5.whatever left.

[pizanno]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

If Jay Bilas is such a expert on what, when, & how to call the game then he should put on the stripes, strap on a whistle, & blow!!! That guy is a horses Azz. Its to easy for him to pin the mistake on the official and not the player.

At the risk of being a Bilas apologist, I think out of all the analysts and columnists, he has always exhibited the most understanding of officials and our craft, even defending them at times against the consipracy theorists (read: whiners). What I like about him is he gives me (as an official) a coach's and player's perspective having been there himself, and he doesn't scapegoat.

His point is often that officials (and questionable calls) are part of the game and always have been. In this technological age of triple slo-mo reverse angle replay, mistakes are more public and the media (youtube, too) further perpetuates the public's low tolerance for less than perfect officiating. Coaches and players who blame refs on last second calls or no-calls need to get over it and look at how their teams performance in the previous 39 minutes of play determined the outcome. (still trying to find that article he wrote on ESPN.com a few years ago)

What I heard him say in the post-game is consistent with what my supervisors and other veteran officials in my area would say. Game awareness of the score (tied) and situation (75 feet from hoop) is tantamount and this is a perfect example of why.

Bilas says that for a veteran crew, they should know better, and I agree.

Rafferty said (paraphrasing) "a foul at the beginning of the game should be a foul at the end of the game, right?"

Bilas: "not for the good officials".

Color guy: "looks like because he stepped OOB he felt he needed to make the call"

Bilas: "you can rationalize it however you want, but for the game to have been decided that way is unfortunate."

This is what I took away from it....and what I will apply to my game. The debate of whether this is a foul or not (or OOB or not) in the context of this single play is missing the big picture.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Takes guts, the kind of guts that gets you on that floor that night.

Absolutely!

[Back In The Saddle]

I just watched the play on YouTube. Are you people kidding me? Barely a foul? Only because he touched the OOB line?

The contact was significant enough to knock the dribbler off his path, cause him to lose his balance, force him to pick up his dribble, and if he hadn't stepped on the line he would have traveled just trying to stay on his feet.

This is a foul at any time in any game.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by hbioteach

Good foul call. My 1st reaction was bad call. Defender contact forced player out of bounds. No choice but to call the foul.

I'm in this camp. Tough a$$ play here but if you are an advantage / disadvantage official, I think you side in on foul once your brain tells you the contact caused the OOB.

Back to the Tenn Rutgers thread - while he knows there's probably under 10 left here - he has no idea he's under 1