Nova vs Georgetown

[pizanno]

In the context of the entire game, this was not a good call.

I actually like Bilas and have always thought he is the most knowledgable about officiating.

His best comments during this post-game were pointing out that:

1) the contact when Nova was driving for the winning basket was more severe than the last foul.

2) when 75 feet from the bucket and less than a couple seconds left, the contact has no advantage

3) if you can ignore the foul, you can ignore the toe (EDGING) the line and let's go to overtime

I'd bet my left nut that if you asked that official if he liked that call, he'd say no.

[lpbreeze]

yah. foul maybe but let it go. the ending of the Indiana game where the guy clearly was fouled shooting a 70 footer was a good no call. This should not have been called. If a ref blows a foul then why not waive it off and say inadvertent whistle? instead now a questionable call decides the game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

yah. foul maybe but let it go. the ending of the Indiana game where the guy clearly was fouled shooting a 70 footer was a good no call. This should not have been called. If a ref blows a foul then why not waive it off and say inadvertent whistle? instead now a questionable call decides the game.

You cannot make that in inadvertent whistle. The ball handler was pushed out of bounds. The defender put the official in that situation to make that call, not the other way around. There was clearly displacement (which Hank Nichols goes on and on about in the bulletins) that caused the ball handler to get out of bounds. I think we have to get away with the idea that we cannot decide the game. I agree if there is some minor contact you might not be so quick to call a foul. But if the defender backed off and did not bump the ball handler out of bounds, maybe the official would have passed.

Peace

[SMEngmann]

To me, obvious foul, clear displacement. Also the fact that 0.1 is on the clock is irrelevant because while the official might have a good idea of the time, he cannot possibly be that precise and a difference of even a second on this type of play is huge. In that spot, the official has to make the call, good call, horrible defense.

[tomegun]

I looked at the replay; was Wallace ever really out of bounds or just close?

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

To me, obvious foul, clear displacement. Also the fact that 0.1 is on the clock is irrelevant because while the official might have a good idea of the time, he cannot possibly be that precise and a difference of even a second on this type of play is huge. In that spot, the official has to make the call, good call, horrible defense.

I'm with you on this one....The contact clearly impeaded the offensive players progress....

To me, time has no relevance in on a foul...Now one poster stated it was a bad foul in the whole context of the game? I didn't see the whole game but to me, that would have been a foul in the first minute of the game just as it was whistled in the final seconds.

What's with the statement that it was "The best FT shooter in the history of G-Town basketball"....What the HELL does that have to do with why you would or would not make this call? That has no relevance in this conversation

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by pizanno

In the context of the entire game, this was not a good call.

I actually like Bilas and have always thought he is the most knowledgable about officiating.

His best comments during this post-game were pointing out that:

1) the contact when Nova was driving for the winning basket was more severe than the last foul.

2) when 75 feet from the bucket and less than a couple seconds left, the contact has no advantage

3) if you can ignore the foul, you can ignore the toe (EDGING) the line and let's go to overtime

I'd bet my left nut that if you asked that official if he liked that call, he'd say no.

I have no good idea on #1.

#2 really only applies if the ref knows exactly how much time is on the clock.

#3 is where Bilas slides into BS territory. A foul involves judgement. If video of a toe on the line gets sent to the conference office, the official is going to have to explain himself.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by pizanno

3) if you can ignore the foul, you can ignore the toe (EDGING) the line and let's go to overtime

Stoopid statement. One is a judgment call; the other one isn't. It's that simple.

[Refneck]

After looking at the replay from the vantage point of the official, I think it's just one of those times when the circumstances create a bad situation. It's an easy no call if Wallace doesn't go out of bounds. But, if you see the replay, the fist goes up right after the foot hit the line. It's actually a good case of a patient whistle, but I think the official was put in a box by the player going out of bounds.

I agree with Bilas up until his "ignore" the out of bounds comment. You just can't do that, and that is why this play stinks all the way around. Maybe the best choice was to pass on the foul and call Georgetown OOB. At least that wouldn't have put anyone on the line. Tough spot...

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Refneck

Maybe the best choice was to pass on the foul and call Georgetown OOB. At least that wouldn't have put anyone on the line. Tough spot...

So, ignore the illegal contact and give the ball back to Nova? That's just not acceptable, IMO.

The real problem here is that there was .1 left. If there had been 2.1, then there's a ton less controversy. You can't give Nova the ball back with 2.1 on the clock. And, the crying would have been much less with 2.1 because Nova would have had a chance to get the ball down and get a shot off.

But, the official has no way of knowing exactly how much time is left. He's got to call the play, and while I'm sure he'd rather not have had to call that, it was the right call based on the play...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Refneck

..... but I think the official was put in a box by the player going out of bounds.

That pretty much sums it up right there imo.

[hbioteach]

Good foul call. My 1st reaction was bad call. Defender contact forced player out of bounds. No choice but to call the foul.

Anyone see the NOVA layup with about 10 seconds left in the half. Picks up dribble, takes 3 steps, No call?

[Reffing Rev.]

Didn't see it, just read about it...

Can picture it...

Got to call the foul, Big Brother is always watching and Big Brother might say no foul call is okay, but Big Brother gets a good look in high definition at the line...Takes guts, the kind of guts that gets you on that floor that night.

I can say I've been forced into certain calls by player's actions and I really "hate" to make that call because it does "decide" the game, but the player's actions dictated it.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Didn't see it, just read about it...

Can picture it...

Got to call the foul, Big Brother is always watching and Big Brother might say no foul call is okay, but Big Brother gets a good look in high definition at the line...Takes guts, the kind of guts that gets you on that floor that night.

I can say I've been forced into certain calls by player's actions and I really "hate" to make that call because it does "decide" the game, but the player's actions dictated it.

Well said!!! Its funny how we as officials are being critical, @ times, of officials who have to make a call @ the end of the game. The official didn't cause the contact. The player should've realized where they were @ in the game and make sure not to foul.

You can't ignore contact that causes a loss of possession. Its a foul, the official didn't cause the foul. His whistle is a result of the Nova's player's stupidity!!! The player goofed not the official.

If Jay Bilas is such a expert on what, when, & how to call the game then he should put on the stripes, strap on a whistle, & blow!!! That guy is a horses Azz. Its to easy for him to pin the mistake on the official and not the player.

The same holds true for the Rutgers/Tennessee game. Were busy trying to prove that the officials "ROBBED" Rutgers when it was the Rutgers player who put the officials in the position to have to make the call in the first place.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Takes guts, the kind of guts that gets you on that floor that night.

Absolutely!