Why do High School officials dislike College officials so much?

[JoeyCrawford]

Please show me where I said anything bad about HS officials????

I had no intent of offending anyone just seeing if this went on elsewhere around the country and obviously some agree with me that it does.


Geeeez!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JoeyCrawford

1. You don't know me.
2. I never said one word to you so.
3. I could give a rats behind if you don't like me.

Got news for ya, it's a discussion board. I can make fun of you whether I know you, whether you've addressed me, or whether you're a rat's @$$ or not.

If was a joke, lighten up, Francis.

[JoeyCrawford]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Got news for ya, it's a discussion board. I can make fun of you whether I know you, whether you've addressed me, or whether you're a rat's @$$ or not.

If was a joke, lighten up, Francis.

My point exactly!

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all my comments were not about the entire Midwest. I cannot speak for the entire Midwest. Conference assignments are made based on everything from where you live to where the conference is located. And in order to work D1 in where I live, it is hard to get to that level if you are not working D2 and D3. And when the future NCAA Supervisor says, "I do not need any Chicago guys (for his D2 conference) but if you live in Kansas City, Missouri, he can use that is not true across all parts of the Midwest. Also I live in the Chicago area so I am not judged by everyone in the Midwest, I am judged by other officials in this area.

As someone who has worked on the West and East Coasts, you are correct, Jeff. It is hard to make D-1 on the West Coast. Not many schools and conferences at all NCAA and JC levels.

Location is very important for lower D-1. Typically, if someone retires or is dropped, the supervisor will look for a replacement in roughly the same geographical area. It is exceptionally more important for D-2 and D-3, where travel budgets are tighter.

The rest of this discussion is funny. There are arrogant college officials, and jealous HS officials. If you can call the game, you can call the game. But the speed and pressures during a HS game compared to even low-level college games is the difference between Jr. High and Varsity. You have to go through the same vetting process in college, and it is every bit as tough and painful as when we all started in HS.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

But the speed and pressures during a HS game compared to even low-level college games is the difference between Jr. High and Varsity.

You don't get out much do you? That's another generalization that's a complete load of doo-doo imo. I've seen many D3 and JUCO teams that would get killed by any good high school program. I've also seen good teams at that level that would beat most high school programs.

You have to rate teams individually, the same way that you rate officials.

[truerookie]

I normally stay out of grown up conversations. However, this discussion identify for me that all of this is personality driven by the individual(s) involved.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You don't get out much do you? That's another generalization that's a complete load of doo-doo imo. I've seen many D3 and JUCO teams that would get killed by any good high school program. I've also seen good teams at that level that would beat most high school programs.

High school teams are not even close to college teams. A team like St. Anthony or St. Pat's? They might be able to compete with a very weak non-scholly JC or D-3 team, but a D-1 JC or any other scholarship team would crush any high school team in the country. Any other high schools have no chance. The age and physical maturity difference is enormous.

I'm also glad you've seen "good teams at that level that would beat most high school programs". Does that mean a good NBA team would beat most NCAA teams, too?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Does that mean a good NBA team would beat most NCAA teams, too?

A good NBA team can't beat Italy,Spain, Argentina, Greece, Puerto Rico, etc., etc.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A good NBA team can't beat Italy,Spain, Argentina, Greece, Puerto Rico, etc., etc.

Amen to that!

[tomegun]

Uh, actually the opposite may be true. We might be better off sending a good NBA team to the Olympics instead of an all-star team. However, a good NBA team will probably have someone from another country on it so it wouldn't be the complete team anyway.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A good NBA team can't beat Italy,Spain, Argentina, Greece, Puerto Rico, etc., etc.

Touche!

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Uh, actually the opposite may be true. We might be better off sending a good NBA team to the Olympics instead of an all-star team. However, a good NBA team will probably have someone from another country on it so it wouldn't be the complete team anyway.

Or in the case of some teams "many someones."

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm also a college official and a high school official. I use my experience in college camps and games to make my high school games better. I think resentment comes from how information is relayed and accepted. Some college officials do not do a good job of passing along information without seemingly talking down to high school officials and many high school officials can't accept information when it is given.
Personally, I don't try to pass on as much information as I used to because the high school officials I come in contact with don't have the dedication to accept it. For them, it is all about the check. Many officials on this board are dedicated and still would rather do high school only so this isn't a good group to use when guaging this.

I agree with you and do the same as you when I'm on a high school game. I have been in that position when information i learned is passed to someone who just does high school. Even in a game, they give you that look when you pass on something or tell them something, like going over to help with an o.b. call and they don't want to change it. I just want to get the play right and work the best game possible. Unfortunately because of my age most guys probably think I'm a young officials who thinks I'm the **** and trying to big time them because I work a higher level they never got to.
O well.....