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Old Thu Feb 07, 2008, 05:34pm
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What the fan was doing was wrong; no question about it. And -- while this conclusion is not quite as clear -- I think your partner was wrong, too. What he did was designed to demean another human being. Is that desire understandable? Yes. Was the response "deserved" in that it was brought on by the fan's behavior? Perhaps.

My first reaction to reading the account was to smile and appreciate your partner's courage (although perhaps not wisdom) in putting the guy in his place. But my more reflective reaction is that your partner's conduct is not to be condoned. Treating others the way we wish to be treated is easy when others treat us nicely. Treating others the way we wish to be treated, even when we are not being treated nicely, is the right thing to do (even if it's not easy).
Sorry - my personal philosophy and yours seem to be worlds apart. I believe in:

A. What's good for the goose is good for the gander
B. An eye for an eye
C. If you can dish it out, you also have to be able to take it
D. You have to stand up to bullies
E. All of the above

Correct answer: E

Remember - appeasement didn't work for the British before WWII.
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Old Fri Feb 08, 2008, 02:03am
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Sorry - my personal philosophy and yours seem to be worlds apart. I believe in:

A. What's good for the goose is good for the gander
B. An eye for an eye
C. If you can dish it out, you also have to be able to take it
D. You have to stand up to bullies
E. All of the above

Correct answer: E

Remember - appeasement didn't work for the British before WWII.
We're supposed to be above the crap.

Not saying I didn't get a chuckle out of it. Or that I haven't felt like doing that myself. But unless the guy was being relentlessly belligerent, profane, or getting personal, I don't see why being a sarcastic a$$ in return is appropriate.

BTW - it's true that appeasement didn't work, but brinkmanship was almost as disastrous 30 years later.
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Old Fri Feb 08, 2008, 11:20am
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We're supposed to be above the crap.
Speak for yourself, Sparky. Some misanthrope insults me, they're gonna get it back with both barrels. In fact, in my state I am legally obligated to inform anyone who gets sarcastic with me that I am a professional with a fifth-degree black belt in sarcasm and they proceed at their own risk.

Sheesh - some of their comments tick me off almost as much as when I get my opera cape snagged on some homeless person's junk.
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Old Fri Feb 08, 2008, 12:01pm
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Speak for yourself, Sparky. Some misanthrope insults me, they're gonna get it back with both barrels. In fact, in my state I am legally obligated to inform anyone who gets sarcastic with me that I am a professional with a fifth-degree black belt in sarcasm and they proceed at their own risk.
Okay, good for you.

I guess.
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Old Fri Feb 08, 2008, 10:41am
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Sorry - my personal philosophy and yours seem to be worlds apart. I believe in:

A. What's good for the goose is good for the gander
B. An eye for an eye
C. If you can dish it out, you also have to be able to take it
D. You have to stand up to bullies
E. All of the above
Mark, I'm sure you'll want to know that the correct expression is: "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."
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Old Thu Feb 07, 2008, 06:04pm
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What the fan was doing was wrong; no question about it. And -- while this conclusion is not quite as clear -- I think your partner was wrong, too. What he did was designed to demean another human being. Is that desire understandable? Yes. Was the response "deserved" in that it was brought on by the fan's behavior? Perhaps.

My first reaction to reading the account was to smile and appreciate your partner's courage (although perhaps not wisdom) in putting the guy in his place. But my more reflective reaction is that your partner's conduct is not to be condoned. Treating others the way we wish to be treated is easy when others treat us nicely. Treating others the way we wish to be treated, even when we are not being treated nicely, is the right thing to do (even if it's not easy).
Sheez, bgtg, what makes you think that taking the high road is something anyone respects or appreciates? Just say whatever happens to pop into your head, and the hell with anyone's feelings. THat's their own problem, not yours. Especially people who you don't like. If you want to be nice, reffing isn't for you.
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Old Thu Feb 07, 2008, 06:37pm
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Sheez, bgtg, what makes you think that taking the high road is something anyone respects or appreciates? Just say whatever happens to pop into your head, and the hell with anyone's feelings. THat's their own problem, not yours. Especially people who you don't like. If you want to be nice, reffing isn't for you.
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I think there's some benefit to someone like this guy actually getting to taste his own medicine.

And my guess is he'll think twice before ridiculing officials in the future.
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And my guess is he'll think twice before ridiculing officials in the future.
Thank you. I think that probably was the point. Plus, of course, having some fun.
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Old Fri Feb 08, 2008, 11:36pm
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I think there's some benefit to someone like this guy actually getting to taste his own medicine.

And my guess is he'll think twice before ridiculing officials in the future.
and so will everyone else in the stands who was thinking about joining in with him.
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