My first ejection!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Um. You bring your knee up towards their body in an attempt to make contact.

Not sure how else to explain that.

She didn't just "stick her knee out." She brought it up in attempt to strike the other girl but stopped short before she did. Plus, the look on her face spoke volumes.

As the girl "ran" by?

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

As the girl "ran" by?

Yes.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I agree that the OP needs to learn some different game management tools, but de-escalating was never his responsibility. His ONLY job is to enforce the rules, and to be sure he's not contributing to any escalation that happens.

Nice impassioned speech there. Where did I state that we can go around the rules to de-escalate a situation? I can lower my personal bar for what constitutes a foul if it helps keep the game in control. I can ask a coach or player to calm down emotionally or physcially. I can let them know the consequences for not doing so, and then penalize them. I can try and reason with them before calling a foul or a T. I can do all kinds of things.

You are correct, though. The ONLY job is to enforce the rules. That's the requirement. Based on what I read, I think they absolutely contributed to the escalation. Resolving conflict amicably is a big key to being a successful basketball official. It also helps in life, too!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Mr. Jenkins, your reputation for not clearly taking a stand has once again been proven!
Bringing coaches together to discuss...whatever is totally different than talking to a coach immediately following a T. I don't know what your point was in saying I'm not consistent concerning the two. I think at this point it should be clear that you can be very wishy washy. Sort of like a...I don't want to say that because I know Juulie is a woman who can take a stand one way or another.

You may not want to say so, but if you have a good deal of experience you should know that bringing coaches together is useful in some situations and telling a coach he must be seated right after the same official just gave him/her a T is not the norm. I really didn't expect you to man-up and say it, but it was worth a shot.

Pleae explain how I could be any more clear than a simple "Yes" answer to one question and a simple "No" answer to the other.

I agree 100% with the penultimate statement above.

It's also, imo, 100% inconsistent to chastise someone (I've forgotten who by now) for making a statement about talking to the coach after a T without including a disclaimer to the effect that "it might not be suitable for younger or less experienced officials" and not including the same statement when the play is about bringing the coaches together to discuss rough play.

[tomegun]

You feel like it is inconsistent simply because you are trying to find fault with something I'm saying right now. You are ignoring the fact that my statements were in response to someone saying it is useless, or something to that effect, to bring coaches together. I did not say when I would do it, when I have done it or any situation where it would be appropriate. I just said in certain situations it could be useful. On the other hand, MTD gave a specific incident where he T'd a coach and told him he must remain seated right after.

Like I said, you are trying to find fault with me right now for some reason and I don't really care why. It just wasn't the same kinds of situations so consistency shouldn't even be an issue.

BTW, you did give a straight forward answer then in your normal fashion backed off somewhat by worrying about the words "any" and "normally." It comes down to the fact that you really cannot disagree with what I'm saying so you make something up. Whatever.