Officials Suspended over Phantom Basket

[johnnyrao]

Okay, just for fun, because this would probably never happen. But, what if the coach of the winning team actually does want to teach character to his players and comes over to you, as the calling official, and tells you that the basket you just counted in favor of his team did not actually go in. I know this wouldn't happen, but, if it did, can you use this as an official to change the call and disallow the basket?

[MajorCord]

I imagine that someone had a videotape of the game to show to the commissioner that the basket had indeed not gone in. I was wondering if the officials would have been allowed to go to the tape themselves to confirm or what protocol applied here. What equipment is made available to officials?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MajorCord

I imagine that someone had a videotape of the game to show to the commissioner that the basket had indeed not gone in. I was wondering if the officials would have been allowed to go to the tape themselves to confirm or what protocol applied here. What equipment is made available to officials?

Replay equipment must be located in the vicinity of the scoring table in order to be used by the officials.

[chartrusepengui]

I can't understand how everyone - including the clock operator and scorer could all have missed this. IMO - if you suspend the crew you should also suspend clock operator/scorer as well if you are the home school. I understand that clock operator and scorer are not under the jurisdiction of the commissioner - but somewhere along the line you'd think someone might have been actually watching

[Overnbach]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

I can't understand how everyone - including the clock operator and scorer could all have missed this. IMO - if you suspend the crew you should also suspend clock operator/scorer as well if you are the home school. I understand that clock operator and scorer are not under the jurisdiction of the commissioner - but somewhere along the line you'd think someone might have been actually watching

You're kidding, right? Since when did the clock operator or the scorer have the repsonsibility to determine when a shot is made? It would be nice if they could help, but I don't think they can be held responsible.

But I could be wrong. And if I am, I'm sure someone will tell me.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Overnbach

You're kidding, right? Since when did the clock operator or the scorer have the repsonsibility to determine when a shot is made? It would be nice if they could help, but I don't think they can be held responsible.

But I could be wrong. And if I am, I'm sure someone will tell me.

No, you're not wrong. Like you said, it's nice if they can help us out, but we are responsible for our duties and shouldn't expect that a scorekeeper be our backup.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

No, you're not wrong. Like you said, it's nice if they can help us out, but we are responsible for our duties and shouldn't expect that a scorekeeper be our backup.

Thats exactly what I was talking about. Yes we are responsible for our duties and I don't have a problem with the suspension but by the same token - I would expect a scorekeeper to be watching and at least be able to help out in a situation like this. Hey ref - ball never went in the basket - who should I credit it to?

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

No, you're not wrong. Like you said, it's nice if they can help us out, but we are responsible for our duties and shouldn't expect that a scorekeeper be our backup.

I agree! It is ultimately our responsibility to know if the ball went in or not. The article said that the, "referee," went to the table and told them to count the basket.

I wonder if the referee was the calling official on this play. If it wasn't I wonder who told the table to count it, "calling official," or "referee?" Just curious to how it all went down.

Its not out of the question to go to the table for help. Personally I've had to do it before. The table is part of our team that night and as much as I want us to be perfect were not. If the table can give information that will help in a ruling then lets get it.

If the officials discussed this play and they couldn't verify that the basket went in then my next stop would be (assuming there isn't a courtside monitor) the scorekeeper, official book, play by play, guest book (if its @ the table.) In that order respectively.

Just about every game now has play by play. If play by play, none of the table, & partners have this as a made basket then I certainly would not have counted it. It would be real hard for me to assume the basket went in when no one else, especially play by play, could verify the made basket.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Replay equipment must be located in the vicinity of the scoring table in order to be used by the officials.

Incorrect! The replay equipment has to be located on a designated courtside table within 3 to 12 feet of the playing court. (Anywhere around the playing court)

Section 13. Games with Replay/Television Equipment
Art. 1. Courtside replay equipment, videotape or television monitoring must
be located on a designated courtside table (i.e., within approximately 3 to
12 feet of the playing court), in order to be utilized by game officials. An
on-screen graphic display on the monitor may be used only when the display
is synchronized with the official game clock.