"Three seconds, Ref...! Three seconds!"

[PSidbury]

In a 14-15yr old youth league game this morning, that uses NFHS rules as a foundation, the Coach (who's team is currently on defense) is incessantly yelling "Three seconds, Ref...! Three seconds!" while the offensive team is shooting, rebounding, shooting, rebounding... all under the basket, in the lane.

4-12-3 says a team is in control until a try for goal.
9-7-1 says a player shall not remain for three seconds in (lane)... while ball is in control of his team.

So, if the ball is constantly in a state of control/non-control (the shooting, rebounding, shooting part), then it would seem by these definitions that everybody can stand in the lane for as long as they want while repetitive shot attempts and offensive rebounds are occuring.

In other words, this coach was really getting on my nerves by screaming "Three seconds, Ref! Three seconds!..." every time (which seemed quite often) this flurry of repetitive shot attempts and subsequent offensive rebounds occured.

So for my own sanity (and maybe a little moral support ) I'm asking: My situation does not warrant a three-second violation, correct?

Thanks,
Paul

[jdw3018]

You are correct, there is not violation as you've described it.

And the next chance I got to talk to that coach, he'd be warned that yelling about rules he doesn't know will warrant a technical foul. Maybe not quite that direct, but he'd know he was wrong and that his screaming for calls wouldn't be tolerated...

[26 Year Gap]

Sounds like '10 seconds' to me. The shooter has 10 seconds to shoot each of the two FTs resulting from the technical foul.

[BillyMac]

The intent of the three-second rule is to not allow an offensive player to gain an advantage. There is no three-second count between the release of a shot and the control of a rebound, at which time a new count starts. There is no three-second count during a throwin. There is no three-second count while the ball is in the backcourt. Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the restricted area for less than three seconds, dribbles in or moves immediately to try for goal.

[lpbreeze]

the player is in the lane for two seconds, then gets the pass. do you start the three second count over?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

the player is in the lane for two seconds, then gets the pass. do you start the three second count over?

No; the three second count does not reset when a player gains possession of the basketball.

[RCBSports]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

the player is in the lane for two seconds, then gets the pass. do you start the three second count over?

a question i was going to ask. I have these youth leagues that i do and i had a parent come and ask me if i could explain the whole three seconds (which is 5 sec in the league). i said sure i can try and that came up to my mind. i know after each shot it restarts but if the pass was from the outside to in the inside, does it reset?

Thanks

[bigdogrunnin]

My reply to the coach . . . "Coach, every time I hear you yelling three seconds I forget what number I was on and I have to start over . . ."

OK, not really, but there are times when I have wanted to . . . like 5 second closely guarded count, 10 second backcourt count, etc.

[RCBSports]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

My reply to the coach . . . "Coach, every time I hear you yelling three seconds I forget what number I was on and I have to start over . . ."

OK, not really, but there are times when I have wanted to . . . like 5 second closely guarded count, 10 second backcourt count, etc.

lol, yea thats a good one. i know what you mean. i just want to tell them, 3 seconds? What's three seconds? lol.

-Lucas

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

No; the three second count does not reset when a player gains possession of the basketball.

You may want to re-read the rule.

It's not a new count, but an allowance is made as long as the player turns and moves for a goal.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

You may want to re-read the rule.

It's not a new count, but an allowance is made as long as the player turns and moves for a goal.

Oh boy. You're bringing a whole new animal into the discussion. You, you provided more information, but what I said wasn't true nor do I need to re-read the rule. I see JR's frustrations.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Oh boy. You're bringing a whole new animal into the discussion. You, you provided more information, but what I said wasn't true nor do I need to re-read the rule. I see JR's frustrations.

Someone can read what you wrote and wrongly call 3 seconds.

So getting things accurate frustrates you?

[dave30]

In youth leagues I always tell the coaches that I will listen to you until you start trying to referee the game for me. When you do that, I will take care of it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

So getting things accurate frustrates you?

Yup. For instance, if someone doesn't enforce a rule accurately, I get frustrated. Case in point.....oh.....maybe the penalty for a technical foul called on a head coach.

You're not very consistent, BZ.

[steve33]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

My reply to the coach . . . "Coach, every time I hear you yelling three seconds I forget what number I was on and I have to start over . . ."

OK, not really, but there are times when I have wanted to . . . like 5 second closely guarded count, 10 second backcourt count, etc.

I was at a rival schools game (NJCAA Women) and overheard a discussion between the HC and official.

HC was begging for 3 seconds and then the ref just came out and said "Coach, you might as well stop, since we don't call 3 seconds in college"

The violation was called however, later in the game, in favor of the opponent