Possession after foul while shot is in the air

[kblehman]

I'm looking for clarification on a call I think I got wrong the other day. It was a MS game and it wasn't close so it had no huge bearing, but I want to be sure I get it right the next time.

I am lead. Team A has the ball in front court, running their offense. Ball is reversed, A1 launches a 3-pt FG. While ball is in the air, B1 is under the basket for the rebound and clears out A2 with a hip check, moved him 3 feet. The 3-pt attempt swishes, I call a foul on B1 for a push and verify to the table that the shot is good.

We are not in the bonus. Who gets the ball OB?

[Junker]

Basket counts, team A will inbound the ball after the foul by B. My question is, did B gain an advantage since the shot went? Could have the foul been ignored?

[Beemer]

It is my understanding that team A gets the ball out of bounds.

In the same situation above, except where A2 fouls, I believe you coun't the try and award team B the ball out of bounds.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Beemer

It is my understanding that team A gets the ball out of bounds.

In the same situation above, except where A2 fouls, I believe you coun't the try and award team B the ball out of bounds.

This is correct.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Junker

Basket counts, team A will inbound the ball after the foul by B. My question is, did B gain an advantage since the shot went? Could have the foul been ignored?

Definitely a legitimate question, though 3 feet is a lot of displacement and may be enough contact that the call needs to be made regardless of the shot going...

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by Junker

Basket counts, team A will inbound the ball after the foul by B. My question is, did B gain an advantage since the shot went? Could have the foul been ignored?

Cool, I called it right. For some reason after Team A inbounded the ball I thought it should've been Team B because the foul occurred during the shot and not after. Not sure why, just a brain fart I guess.

As to whether B gained an advantage since the shot went in, the foul occurred early in the shot. I had no way of knowing it was going in when I blew the foul. I guess I could've waited, but if B1 ended up with the rebound it would've been one seriously delayed whistle.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Cool, I called it right. For some reason after Team A inbounded the ball I thought it should've been Team B because the foul occurred during the shot and not after. Not sure why, just a brain fart I guess.

As to whether B gained an advantage since the shot went in, the foul occurred early in the shot. I had no way of knowing it was going in when I blew the foul. I guess I could've waited, but if B1 ended up with the rebound it would've been one seriously delayed whistle.

In my opinion, a patient whistle is better than a quick one.

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by Junker

In my opinion, a patient whistle is better than a quick one.

I understand what you're saying and I agree 100%. I'm much more patient and deliberate than I was when I started a couple years ago.

However, as I mentioned previously, the rebounder really launched a kid sideways a good 2-3 feet with a hip check. And sometimes in MS games these kids apply what they see in NBA games thinking that's normal, or don't yet know what's permissable and what isn't, and often a tweet is part of their b-ball education process.

So I agree with the patient whistle theory, but in this case I don't regret making the call. It was more than an aggressive box out.

As always, thanks to all for your valuable input.

[Junker]

Sounds like a solid call. Sometimes you have to make that one to keep the game clean.

[jmaellis]

Originally Posted by Beemer

It is my understanding that team A gets the ball out of bounds.

In the same situation above, except where A2 fouls, I believe you coun't the try and award team B the ball out of bounds.

If this was the situation .. A1 launches an attempt at a 3 pointer and A2 fouls B1 while the shot is still in the air, doesn't the foul by A2 cause the ball to become immediately dead and the shot does not count if it goes in? Then B gets the ball for a throw in a the designated spot nearest to where the foul occurred?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by jmaellis

If this was the situation .. A1 launches an attempt at a 3 pointer and A2 fouls B1 while the shot is still in the air, doesn't the foul by A2 cause the ball to become immediately dead and the shot does not count if it goes in? Then B gets the ball for a throw in a the designated spot nearest to where the foul occurred?

No...if the shot is in the air, it will still count.

The only time there is a difference based on offensive or defensive foul is if the shooter has started his/her shooting motion but hasn't yet released the ball. In that situation, an offensive foul would cause the ball to become dead immediately, while continuation would apply to a defensive foul and the shot would still count.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Junker

In my opinion, a patient whistle is better than a quick one.

In my opinion an uncalled hip check that moves somebody three feet is gonna lead to trouble down the road. They ain't playing hockey.

Are you going to let the same thing go at the other end?

Some plays call themselves, irregardless of a patient whistle. To me, this sounds like one of them.