Shooting foul or possession

[PHSCoach]

Team A is taking the ball out of bounds on the sideline. In order to get free, player from team A pushes off of Team B player. Official,calls a foul which puts Team A over the limit. Does Team B shoot a 1 and 1 or do they get the ball out of bounds.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by PHSCoach
Team A is taking the ball out of bounds on the sideline. In order to get free, player from team A pushes off of Team B player. Official,calls a foul which puts Team A over the limit. Does Team B shoot a 1 and 1 or do they get the ball out of bounds.

The fouled B player will shoots 1/1 if the foul called was team A's seventh foul of the half. It's not a player control foul, if that's what you were thinking of.

Welcome to the forum, Coach

[PHSCoach]

Thank you. I had this situation in a game today and the two officials would not listen. They both said that the foul was a player control foul because the team trhat committed the foul was in control of the ball, even though the ball had not yet been brought in bounds.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by PHSCoach
Thank you. I had this situation in a game today and the two officials would not listen. They both said that the foul was a player control foul because the team trhat committed the foul was in control of the ball, even though the ball had not yet been brought in bounds.

What rules do you play under?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by PHSCoach
Thank you. I had this situation in a game today and the two officials would not listen. They both said that the foul was a player control foul because the team that committed the foul was in control of the ball, even though the ball had not yet been brought in bounds.

Unfortunately, Coach, the officials misunderstood the rule. For a player to have control, and thus commit a player control foul, they must be either holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. That definition is right out of the rule book.

[devdog69]

Originally posted by PHSCoach
Thank you. I had this situation in a game today and the two officials would not listen. They both said that the foul was a player control foul because the team trhat committed the foul was in control of the ball, even though the ball had not yet been brought in bounds.

It does make a difference whether you are using NCAA or NFHS rules. Under NCAA rules this would be 'team control' and no shots would be taken.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by PHSCoach

Preston High School? Who were the refs? Maybe I know them.

[johnnyrao]

By rule, could they not also assess this as a technical foul if the ball had not been given to the thrower? If the official has not administered the ball yet then the ball is still dead and this is a T. Realistically I would be real careful on this one before calling it but that is the rule, right?

If the ball is at the disposal of the thrower than you shoot the bonus (NFHS). We had that happen last night and administered a 1 and 1.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by johnnyrao
By rule, could they not also assess this as a technical foul if the ball had not been given to the thrower? If the official has not administered the ball yet then the ball is still dead and this is a T.

Contact during a dead ball could be a technical foul if you judged that the contact was intentional or flagrant in nature. Sounds like that might be a little bit of a reach in this particular situation though.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by devdog69

It does make a difference whether you are using NCAA or NFHS rules. Under NCAA rules this would be 'team control' and no shots would be taken.

Exactly Devon, which is why I asked what rules the game was played under. May have been a couple of college officials who temporarily forgot the rule difference.