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Old Wed Jan 16, 2008, 07:37pm
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Citations Please ??

I'm not saying that the posters in this thread are wrong, but I'm not very comfortable with some of the answers.

I believe that when the three-point goal was first introduced, officials did have to distinguish between a three-point try (three points), and an "alley oop" pass that happened to go in (two points). I also believe that we had to give two points to a ball that was shot from behind the three-point arc, but was touched (blocked, tipped, etc.) by a defensive player who was inside the three-point line.

Haven't those original three-point arc rules changed since then? I believe that an "alley opp" pass that happens to go in is now three points, and I also believe that a a ball that was shot from behind the three-point arc, and was touched (blocked, tipped, etc.) by a defensive player who was inside the three-point line, now counts as three-points.

I'm pretty sure that a full court shot that bounces on the court behind the three-point arc and goes in is only two points, beczause it's not a try.

I'm not 100% sure of my understanding of these situations, so, citations, please.
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Old Wed Jan 16, 2008, 08:13pm
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Billy,

If you block a shot and it goes into your own basket that means that the basket you have been trying to score on all game long. This is not a typical 3 point shot vs. a 2 point shot argument. You cannot shoot a 3 point shot into the other team's basket. And a blocked shot is not a try.

If you really need a reference, look at 5-2-1 where it says:

A successful try, tap or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19-foot, 9-inch arc counts as three points. A ball that touches the floor, a teammate inside the arc, an official or another goal from the field counts two points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown. See 4-5-4.

Now since a blocked shot is not a try, there is no support to give three points.

I think you might have misunderstood the question.

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Old Wed Jan 16, 2008, 08:28pm
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Wrong Basket ???

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Billy, If you block a shot and it goes into your own basket that means that the basket you have been trying to score on all game long. This is not a typical 3 point shot vs. a 2 point shot argument. You cannot shoot a 3 point shot into the other team's basket. I think you might have misunderstood the question. Peace
JRutledge: You're correct. I've had games the past two nights, and have gotten home too late to check the Forum, so, tonight, I tried to go through the new posts quickly. I didn't realize that the ball went into the "wrong" basket. Thanks.
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Old Wed Jan 16, 2008, 11:32pm
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I'm assuming this ball gets deflected behind the original shooter to the goal B1 would normally try to score in. My question: Why couldn't this block be considered a tap?
I'm leaning towards two points her, just thinking it through a bit.
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Old Wed Jan 16, 2008, 11:39pm
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I'm assuming this ball gets deflected behind the original shooter to the goal B1 would normally try to score in. My question: Why couldn't this block be considered a tap?
I'm leaning towards two points her, just thinking it through a bit.
4-41-5: A tap....is the contacting of the ball.....in an attempt to direct the ball into the basket.

To consider that a player blocks his opponent's shot and tries to direct it into his own basket at the same time would be a stretch, wouldn't it?
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2008, 07:34am
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4-41-5: To consider that a player blocks his opponent's shot and tries to direct it into his own basket at the same time would be a stretch, wouldn't it?
Yeah, just like it's a stretch to consider if a self-pass off the backboard was a shot attempt and subsequent rebound/dunk.
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Old Wed Jan 16, 2008, 11:40pm
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I'm assuming this ball gets deflected behind the original shooter to the goal B1 would normally try to score in. My question: Why couldn't this block be considered a tap?
I'm leaning towards two points her, just thinking it through a bit.
I'm having a real hard time believing that a blocked shot is going to cover 35-40 feet in the air with over 10 feet of height to go in...I am picturing a shot, a block, the ball going some distance and then bouncing off the floor into the basket.
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Old Wed Jan 16, 2008, 11:43pm
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I had a game once where a team was pressing and the offense threw a hard pass that was deflected straight into the basket, so weird things can and do happen!
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Old Thu Jan 17, 2008, 12:02am
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I had a game once where a team was pressing and the offense threw a hard pass that was deflected straight into the basket, so weird things can and do happen!
I am guessing that in your case it was deflected from inside the 3 point line. The OP case was from outside the 3 point line. I will never, ever, ever see this in a game. But if I see it on some messed up test I'll say score 3 points, provided it didn't hit the floor. 5-2, Thrown ball from the field. If someone can provide a case to show me wrong, please do.

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