Kicking Violation Philosophy

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Okay, what if B1 makes an overt move to get his leg in the passing lane but only does so by sticking his leg beyond his frame with his foot still on the floor, there is a delay and the pass then hits his leg.

You calling a kick on that too?

In my opinion if the ball comes to where the leg already is, it isn't intentionally striking the ball, it's a bad pass.

Ball comes to leg = legal.

Leg goes to ball = illegal.

BZ:

It appears that you are starting to adopt my type of thinking.

Kicking the ball is a violatioin ONLY when the player INTENTIONALLY strikes the ball with his leg. Contact between the ball and the leg when the player's leg movement is a normal movement to maintain a defensive postion or to move from one positon to another is not a violation. If the player's leg is in contact with the floor when there is contact between the player's leg and ball, there cannot be a kicking violation.

If a defensive player throws his leg out at a ball to block a passing lane afther the ball has already left the thrower's hand and the contact between the ball and the defensive player's leg occurs before the defensive player's foot regains contact with floor: that is an example of a kicking violation.

But, if a defensive player throws his leg out at a ball to block a passing lane afther the ball has already left the thrower's hand and the contact between the ball and the defensive player's leg occurs after the defensive player's foot regains contact with floor: there is not kicking violation.

MTD, Sr.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

BZ:

It appears that you are starting to adopt my type of thinking..

Hey, BZ, run!!!

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

If the player's leg is in contact with the floor when there is contact between the player's leg and ball, there cannot be a kicking violation.

I understand everything you're saying, but I disagree with this statement.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

I understand everything you're saying, but I disagree with this statement.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
If the player's leg is in contact with the floor when there is contact between the player's leg and ball, there cannot be a kicking violation.


HawkeyeCub:

What is there to disagree with. What you are proposing is, that if B1 is standing between A1 and A2, and A1 attempts to pass the ball to A2 by throwing a bounce pass through B1's legs and instead his pass hits B1's shin while he is standing between A1 and A2, then B1 has committed a kicking violation. If that is what you are advocating, that is wrong. Just because the contact created an advantage for B1, the contact was not intentional and therefore is not a violation.

MTD, Sr.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

What is there to disagree with. What you are proposing is, that if B1 is standing between A1 and A2, and A1 attempts to pass the ball to A2 by throwing a bounce pass through B1's legs and instead his pass hits B1's shin while he is standing between A1 and A2, then B1 has committed a kicking violation. If that is what you are advocating, that is wrong. Just because the contact created an advantage for B1, the contact was not intentional and therefore is not a violation.

MTD, Sr.

I don't mean to speak for Hawkeye, but I agree with him in this way - in your scenario, if A1 attempts to pass teh ball to A2 by throwing a bounce pass through B1's legs, and B1 quickly puts his legs together in the path of the ball - even if both feet are in contact with the floor when the ball strikes them, I've got a kick. B1 is purposefully striking the ball with his leg.

Or, B1 is in a normal guarding stance, A1 attempts to pass around him and B1 "lunges" to the side and strikes the ball with his knee while his foot remains on the ground - also a kick.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I don't mean to speak for Hawkeye, but I agree with him in this way - in your scenario, if A1 attempts to pass teh ball to A2 by throwing a bounce pass through B1's legs, and B1 quickly puts his legs together in the path of the ball - even if both feet are in contact with the floor when the ball strikes them, I've got a kick. B1 is purposefully striking the ball with his leg.

Or, B1 is in a normal guarding stance, A1 attempts to pass around him and B1 "lunges" to the side and strikes the ball with his knee while his foot remains on the ground - also a kick.

Wrong, wrong, wrong!!

MTD, Sr.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Wrong, wrong, wrong!!

MTD, Sr.

Can you explain to me how either of the scenarios I've described is not intentionally striking the ball with the leg?

Until then, I don't see how I'm wrong.