QF1Y: Mechanics Question Lead/Trail

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

re: When Trail

But I've got the coach right behind me going ballistic! He knows the call was wrong, and knows that I know (or should know). The pass came from a player right in front of me. I had a great angle and saw the play. I'm still going to defer to an un-asking partner?

If I'm 110% (that's for you scrappy) sure, I'll go have a quick word with my partner and give him a chance to change his call. No one else will hear us, though.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If I'm 110% (that's for you scrappy) sure, I'll go have a quick word with my partner and give him a chance to change his call. No one else will hear us, though.

I certainly won't do that because the mere act of going to your partner lets everyone in the gym know that you think that he got it wrong. IMO that isn't being a good partner. I suggest that you simply freeze and make eye contact or do something else subtle and then he can come to you, if he is unsure, or stick with his decision and inbound the ball.

Personally, I've never understood this obsession with coming to fix one's partner's OOB decisions. For those who advocate this why doesn't the same principle apply for fouls? If your partner calls a foul and you are 100% sure that he missed it, do you go over and talk to him before he reports?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I certainly won't do that because the mere act of going to your partner lets everyone in the gym know that you think that he got it wrong. IMO that isn't being a good partner. I suggest that you simply freeze and make eye contact or do something else subtle and then he can come to you, if he is unsure, or stick with his decision and inbound the ball.

Oh, you're into the cute eye winks subtle hand signal thing to communicate to your partner that he f'ed it up. That's fine.

Me? I'm a big boy & if my partner comes to me cause he thinks I missed an OOB that's fine. Remember that trust your partner thing? Works here too. If I know I'm right the call stays the same, if I really didn't get a good look then I'll change it. Either way he's getting a big thank you from me.

Personally, I've never understood this obsession with coming to fix one's partner's OOB decisions. For those who advocate this why doesn't the same principle apply for fouls? If your partner calls a foul and you are 100% sure that he missed it, do you go over and talk to him before he reports?

Ah right, the slippery slope. Nice try.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Oh, you're into the cute eye winks subtle hand signal thing to communicate to your partner that he f'ed it up. That's fine.

Me? I'm a big boy & if my partner comes to me cause he thinks I missed an OOB that's fine. Remember that trust your partner thing? Works here too. If I know I'm right the call stays the same, if I really didn't get a good look then I'll change it. Either way he's getting a big thank you from me.

Doesn't your partner trust you? If so, then why is he coming over?
If you didn't really get a good look then why are you making a call in the first place?

PS The slope argument makes the point of just how ridiculous engaging in this action is. Afterall, isn't a foul more important than an OOB? So why are we fixing OOB calls and not foul calls? Completely ludicrous.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Doesn't your partner trust you? If so, then why is he coming over?
If you didn't really get a good look then why are you making a call in the first place?

Well you're right, if I know I didn't get a good look I'm going for help. But sometimes something happens outside of your range of vision that you can't possibly know about... like a tip on a pass outside of your primary. And all of us have had those "...geeze on second thought..." moments when we replay the play back in our minds.

PS The slope argument makes the point of just how ridiculous engaging in this action is. Afterall, isn't a foul more important than an OOB? So why are we fixing OOB calls and not foul calls? Completely ludicrous.

Well let's see. If you're U and the R lines up the jumpers the wrong way to start the game you're not gonna say something? Or if your partner is administering a FT with the players not properly lined up...or if he's about to give the ball to the player you just know is not the right shooter...?

Watch out for that first step, it's a big one.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Well let's see. If you're U and the R lines up the jumpers the wrong way to start the game you're not gonna say something? Or if your partner is administering a FT with the players not properly lined up...or if he's about to give the ball to the player you just know is not the right shooter...?

Watch out for that first step, it's a big one.

Dan,
I'm actually serious about this issue. See my post directly above.

As for my answers to what you have posed, I have to say that the circumstances are entirely different there. Your partner hasn't made a call of any kind in those situations, he is simply about to incorrectly administer the game. I have no issue whatsoever with stepping in to prevent a screw-up. However, the issue that I've brought up in this thread deals with stepping in AFTER your partner has MADE a call and a screw-up. What is the reason for living with the screwed up foul calls, but fixing the wrong OOB calls (or backcourt violations, double dribble, traveling, etc.)

What makes a foul call so special?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Dan,
I'm actually serious about this issue. See my post directly above.

So am I.

Your slippery slope begins at the distinction between fouls and violations. Mine begins elsewhere. I can't help you explain why you view fouls/violations as something separate and distinct from the rest of the rules. So let's just agree to disagree, I'll keep doing it the right way & you'll do it your way.