QF1Y: Mechanics Question Lead/Trail

[Rich]

As the trail, do nothing with the whistle unless your partner misses it going out of bounds and there's a delay without a whistle.

A subtle thing you can do if you are absolutely sure the ball was not deflected is to start walking the other way. Your partner, if he has any doubt, will pick up on that. Same thing -- take a step or two up towards the baseline if you are absolutely sure it was deflected and your "staying here."

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

As the trail, do nothing with the whistle unless your partner misses it going out of bounds and there's a delay without a whistle.

A subtle thing you can do if you are absolutely sure the ball was not deflected is to start walking the other way. Your partner, if he has any doubt, will pick up on that. Same thing -- take a step or two up towards the baseline if you are absolutely sure it was deflected and your "staying here."

maybe when I was lead and getting nothing from my partner he was moving away and I didn't pick up on it!

[Nevadaref]

When I'm Lead, I have no problem putting a hand straight up, hitting the whistle, and verbally asking my partner for help when I have a poor look at a play.

When I'm Trail, I'm not going to do anything (except maybe take a few steps in the other direction as Rich says) unless my partner asks for help. Even if I believe that he missed the call. If he makes a call, he can live with it. If he wants help, he can ask.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

When I'm Lead, I have no problem putting a hand straight up, hitting the whistle, and verbally asking my partner for help when I have a poor look at a play.

When I'm Trail, I'm not going to do anything (except maybe take a few steps in the other direction as Rich says) unless my partner asks for help. Even if I believe that he missed the call. If he makes a call, he can live with it. If he wants help, he can ask.

I agree and only add that if you didn't see anything and partner indicates he is unsure or has not seen it - don't hesitate - hit the AP arrow. We are all human and sometimes mistakes are made or things are missed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

I agree and only add that if you didn't see anything and partner indicates he is unsure or has not seen it - don't hesitate - hit the AP arrow. We are all human and sometimes mistakes are made or things are missed.

Agreed. If you blow the whistle, then look to your partner for help, be prepared to go to the arrow if he can't help you.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed. If you blow the whistle, then look to your partner for help, be prepared to go to the arrow if he can't help you.

I'll be quite honest, here. My regular partner is going to give the subtle signals I mentioned above. If he doesn't and I'm not 100% sure but leaning in one direction, I'll call it that way rather than go to the arrow (and I'm not really hesitating more in my call than I would for any other). If the game's a complete blowout, then it's even easier to make the call

It's only when I have no idea whatsover and my partner doesn't that I'd go to the arrow, and I don't think that's happened more than 1-2 times in the past 3 seasons.

[JRutledge]

If I am asking for help, I am asking because the ball came from a place where it is very possible I am screened off. I do not like going to the arrow at all. It looks like you and your partners do not know what they are doing. Give the ball to someone. You are not always going to be perfect on an out of bounds calls and even when you have the best look, someone thinks you screwed them up. Very few times as well do coaches get that upset over an out of bounds call anyway. If my partner is asking for help, I am giving them a direction.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'll be quite honest, here. My regular partner is going to give the subtle signals I mentioned above. If he doesn't and I'm not 100% sure but leaning in one direction, I'll call it that way rather than go to the arrow (and I'm not really hesitating more in my call than I would for any other). If the game's a complete blowout, then it's even easier to make the call

It's only when I have no idea whatsover and my partner doesn't that I'd go to the arrow, and I don't think that's happened more than 1-2 times in the past 3 seasons.

I'm talking about when you blow your whistle, hesitate and look at your partner. At this point, you almost have to go to the whistle. I had one of these this year where I went with the way I was leaning after the delay, rather than the arrow. Of course, I had to put the ball in play in the hip pocket of the coach the call went against.

[kbilla]

I had a partner a few weeks ago who from the T blew an out of bounds on his sideline and immediately and emphatically threw his thumbs up for a jump ball..from the L I was pretty sure who I saw who it go off of (near the corner), but it happened so fast and he was so emphatic in making the statement that he had no idea that I just stayed out of it and put the ball back in play quickly...there were other issues this day with this partner though as well, too much to get into.....

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

When I'm Lead, I have no problem putting a hand straight up, hitting the whistle, and verbally asking my partner for help when I have a poor look at a play.

When I'm Trail, I'm not going to do anything (except maybe take a few steps in the other direction as Rich says) unless my partner asks for help. Even if I believe that he missed the call. If he makes a call, he can live with it. If he wants help, he can ask.

re: When Trail

But I've got the coach right behind me going ballistic! He knows the call was wrong, and knows that I know (or should know). The pass came from a player right in front of me. I had a great angle and saw the play. I'm still going to defer to an un-asking partner?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

re: When Trail

But I've got the coach right behind me going ballistic! He knows the call was wrong, and knows that I know (or should know). The pass came from a player right in front of me. I had a great angle and saw the play. I'm still going to defer to an un-asking partner?

Nope. Go in and tell him/her what you saw. They* might have something different / later. It's up to them* to change their* call.

* -- Specifically worded for Nevada.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Nope. Go in and tell him/her what you saw. They* might have something different / later. It's up to them* to change their* call.

* -- Specifically worded for Nevada.

LOL!!!!



Peace

[FrankHtown]

It does not hurt to go to your partner and tell him what you saw. Even if your partner iinsists his call is correct, at least you made the effort to give your partner information.

If your partner accepts your information, let him/her change their call.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

It does not hurt to go to your partner and tell him what you saw. Even if your partner iinsists his call is correct, at least you made the effort to give your partner information.

And that's good because... you've tried to please a coach?
Any official who makes a call should be sure of the call. Any official who is unsure should be seeking help and NOT making a call. Hence if my partner makes a call, he must be sure, and therefore why would I want to go stick my nose in his business?

[FrankHtown]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

And that's good because... you've tried to please a coach?
Any official who makes a call should be sure of the call. Any official who is unsure should be seeking help and NOT making a call. Hence if my partner makes a call, he must be sure, and therefore why would I want to go stick my nose in his business?

I'm lead...I see Defender's backside from across the paint. Pass comes in..ball goes out of bounds. I'm sure it was a bad pass by the offense. I call it out off offense. What I didn't see was the defender's hand reach in and touch the ball, which the Trail saw clearly.

I guess in Nevada the players always arrange themselves so the officials always have perfect sight lines. I need to move there.