Advice on Partner

[Texas Aggie]

Honestly, there comes a time when you need to quit being nice. Do so OFF the court, but do it. Tell him that he has no business saying anything to you about correct or incorrect since he doesn't know either himself.

[Mark Padgett]

Tell the guy that he is acting unprofessional, that you're not going to pay attention to anything else he has to say because he has lost all credibility with you and that if he keeps making calls in your area you will make calls in his, and very loudly.

Then smack him upside the head with a frying pan.

Oh yeah, if this jerk asked me before a game why I was wearing a jacket, I'd tell him it was my "evaluator" jacket and that all us evaluators wear one.

[Back In The Saddle]

Tough situation. I'd have called the T's anyway, but after his comment if I had any reservations I'd set them aside just to make a point. If you've had similar problems with this guy in the past, then it's probably time you stood your ground. As for his calling phantom stuff in your area, I can see three courses of action:

1. Ignore it. Get in, get done, get out.
2. At the first time out or other break tell him that you'll stay in your area and you expect him to stay in his.
3. Take the somewhat facetious suggestion posted here recently and when he makes a phantom violation call in your area: blow your whistle, overrule him, and put the ball back in play before he has a chance to object.

I'd try #1. As long as his phantom calls don't affect the game, you're good. If his calls start to affect the game, I'd go to #2. If that didn't work, I'd imagine myself doing #3 just to make myself smile when it got bad, and go back to doing #1.

I'd also ask the assignor not to put this bozo with you any longer.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Oh yeah, if this jerk asked me before a game why I was wearing a jacket, I'd tell him it was my "evaluator" jacket and that all us evaluators wear one.

Or...

"All the good refs are wearing them this year. I see you didn't get the memo."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Then smack him upside the head with a frying pan.

Oh yeah, if this jerk asked me before a game why I was wearing a jacket, I'd tell him it was my "evaluator" jacket and that all us evaluators wear one.

Is is standard procedure for evaluators in your area to carry frying pans, or is this just your personal weapon of choice?

[PAT THE REF]

Thanks for the responses... I just dont want to ruffle any feathers because I would really like to move on and up to higher levels of ball... Anyone know of the best way to break into college ball or even Juco in the NJ,NY area? I know I have some time but any camps or other information people could send me would be appreciated.

Thanks
Pat The Ref

[26 Year Gap]

There is a reason the guy is doing a MS game after 5 years. Issue the T, just to spite him. Get done & get out. Have a talk with your assignor about this moron. Sounds like he is in it for the money or he would have purchased a jacket.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by PAT THE REF

Anyone know of the best way to break into college ball or even Juco in the NJ,NY area? I know I have some time but any camps or other information people could send me would be appreciated.

Pat, when someone acts like this, just give the head nod, say "OK' a lot, and then just do your thing. Call the T's, just do the best you can. Ignore everything else. As far as getting into JC/D-3, find out who the supervisors for those conferences are, and then send him an e-mail, asking what camps you can go to this summer to be evaluated. If you know someone working for one of those supervisors, a reference wouldn't hurt either. My guess is that there are functions at FDU over the summer where you can get the expsoure you need for that.

[JRutledge]

Just call your game and move on. Talking to him afterwards is not going to change anything. You might call your supervisor and tell him what he said and that you would not like to work with him. I would not help him out on the court or go out of my way to be nice to him since it is clear he is not extending that same olive branch. I would not be overly helpful with the coaches on his behalf since he knows more than you do. Just like with coaches and players, they cannot quote silence. If you have an exchange with him, it is going to turn into a he said, he said situation. It is a middle school game after all and the fact that he is talking to you about what to call in the context of that (and he has been working them for 5 years) should tell you all you need to know.

Every time you work with someone (and you have no idea who they are), ask yourself this question. Why are they working with you? You might have multiple answers for that question, but at least it will help you understand why they are working with a newer official and they could be working somewhere else. Sometimes that answer means they are doing it for the money, exercise, giving back to the game and to other officials or they cannot get other opportunities. When you realize that many are not where they would like to be, then take their comments and attitudes for what they are worth. And it is clear that he is not qualified to tell you what you should be doing only having worked 3 years more than you and he is still working the same level.

Peace

While it does seem like a big deal, it really isn't...Contact your supervisor of officials and tell him EXACTLY what transpired. You may not be the only guy having a problem with this official. Also tell him this isn't the first time that this has happened, but will be the last!! If he insists, have him come out and watch you two work a game together. It shouldn't matter if you have been with the association for 2 years or 2 days...The way he is treating you isn't right...and that's the bottom line.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Is is standard procedure for evaluators in your area to carry frying pans, or is this just your personal weapon of choice?

Around here evaluators believe the pen is mighter than the frying pan.