end of game timing issue

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Damian

If an official has direct knowledge of a timing issue, they can resolve it. In this case, if you knew you had 1.2 sec and a timeout was called at first touch, you could adjust this.

To what?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Damian

If an official has direct knowledge of a timing issue, they can resolve it. In this case, if you knew you had 1.2 sec and a timeout was called at first touch, you could adjust this.

You can't grant a TO request on the first touch. A TO request can't be granted until the player has control. Big difference, rules-wise. And you have to know the actual time remaining when you granted the TO request on the first player control. In this case, you don't have that information. That's why you can't adjust the time.

Rules rulez!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Visitors ball under their own basket with 1.2 seconds left. A1's pass is intercepted by B1 who unsuccessfully asks for a time out before landing OOB. But, simultaneously with the whistle or a tiny fraction afterward, the buzzer sounds, clock shows 0:00, game over.

-The clock starts when B1 legally touches the throw-in. NFHS rule 5-9-4.
- The clock now stops when the official granted the timeout request by B1. NFHS rule 5-8-3(a).
-The quarter ended when the buzzer sounded. NFHS rule 5-6-2.
-To put any time back on the clock, the official must have definite information as to how much time remained when the timeout request was granted. NFHS rule 5-10.

In this case, the officials(s) did not have any definite information that would allow them to put any time back on the clock. Game over, by rule.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Visitors ball under their own basket with 1.2 seconds left. A1's pass is intercepted by B1 who unsuccessfully asks for a time out before landing OOB. But, simultaneously with the whistle or a tiny fraction afterward, the buzzer sounds, clock shows 0:00, game over. From the description I got, it sounds like the clock may have started before the pass was touched. The question is, even if the official sees the clock start to move while the pass is in the air, there is no way to make a correction here, correct?
A footnote: Visitors' coach threw a fit, saying time should be put back. Officials apparently had a lengthy discussion about the play, during which visitors' fans threw stuff all over the court. Then, apparently thinking the game was not over, the visiting player scurried around and cleaned up the debris.

Per above red in OP, why can't the Official that witnessed the clock running while the throw in is in the air, blow the play dead, reset the clock to 1.2 and give A1 the throw in back? 5-10

I agree with others about the TO request and grant. Game over if clock started properly. If we start adding/predicting/guessing 0.5 seconds or so "lag time", then you need to be consistant and do it for every whistle that stops the clock for the whole game. If you don't do it the whole game, then you sureasheck don't do it with 1.2 in the 4th.

Until I reach the college level with video replay....

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Per above red in OP, why can't the Official that witnessed the clock running while the throw in is in the air, blow the play dead, reset the clock to 1.2 and give A1 the throw in back? 5-10

This could be done if he whistles it dead before the touch which ends the throw-in, as I believe was noted earlier. But referring to the OP, my idea was that if the official realized after the fact that the clock must have started early, since the kid couldn't have stayed in the air that long, there was no way to make an adjustment then with the information he had available.