Critique anyone

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

2) Don't signal TWO shots on obvious shooting foul at spot of foul.

Why not?

[BktBallRef]

Video isn't great. But I will say, to your credit, you hustle to the reporting area and then you come to a stop before reporting. You partners come across as lazy because they both non-chalantly walk toward to the table AND report without stopping. Very lazy looking.

OOPS! Just saw this but couldn't tell who it was. Tableside T waving off the shot at the end of the 3rd quarter. Who's call is that. NFHS - C or T opposite table. NCAA - C. Never tableside T.

OOPS again! Just as I pat you on the back, you call a foul and walk to the reporting area.

Yep, you did it again. Must be getting tired.

In any case, I don't see anything that makes me believe you should hang 'em up. Don't let a bunch of idiots run you off.

[Kelvin green]

I guess I am not as good a websurfer as I thought I was. I could not find the game..

[BktBallRef]

http://www.ifan.tv/home.php?cat1=&ca...t3=&article=61

Click on Clayton vs. West Salem.

[Kelvin green]

Thanks... I must have something wrong with my browser since it did not even bring that up... I will go to another computer

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Thanks... I must have something wrong with my browser since it did not even bring that up... I will go to another computer

The video plays in Windows Media Player.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Why not?

I think it looks awkard and its unnecssary communication. JMO.

[BktBallRef]

If it's a shooting foul, you should always indicate the number of shots and the shooter's number before moving to the table. I don't see how it's either awkward or unnecessary.

IOW, I disagree.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

If it's a shooting foul, you should always indicate the number of shots and the shooter's number before moving to the table. I don't see how it's either awkward or unnecessary.

It's unnecessary because everybody knows it's two shots. I don't have a problem with signaling two shots, unless it's the only information given at the spot. This is a pet peeve of mine. Guys give a quick fist, put up two fingers, yell "Two!" and then run to the table.

The "Two" indication is probably the least important piece of information to be given at the spot of the foul; yet for many officials (high school AND college), it's the ONLY information given at the spot of the foul.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The "Two" indication is probably the least important piece of information to be given at the spot of the foul; yet for many officials (high school AND college), it's the ONLY information given at the spot of the foul.

I'd like to see a preliminary signal at the spot of the foul too, but I have no problem with the official saying and signaling "two." His partners know what's going to happen and can get everything ready. Even though I think mechanics are important, 99% of those in the gym don't care if it's a push or a hold or a block. They just want to know what's going to happen next.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Even though I think mechanics are important, 99% of those in the gym don't care if it's a push or a hold or a block.

Including me! I don't care if you call it a hold or a block. The two most important pieces of information (assuming that it's obviously a 2-shot situation) are the fouler's number and the shooter's number. Those things MUST be communicated at the spot of the foul, but are very often overlooked.

There are very few feelings worse than having NO idea who the shooter is. If you force yourself to tell your partner(s) the shooter's number, one of you is much more likely to remember.

[eyezen]

Take this for what it's worth....

TO: NCAA Divisions I, II and III Coordinators of Men's Basketball
Officials. December 13th, 2007

FROM: Henry O. Nichols

National Coordinator of Men's Basketball Officiating.

[snip]
Signals. When calling a foul that will result
in 2 free throws for a player fouled while attempting a try for goal
(including continuous motion), the calling official should not
immediately signal "two" with his fingers in the air. If the attempt is
touched close to the basket and the outside officials do not judge goal
tending or basket interference, the two fingers in the air could give
the false impression that the goal counts. In these situations, do not
signal two free throws until it is clear that there is no goal tending
or basket interference.
[snip]

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Including me! I don't care if you call it a hold or a block. The two most important pieces of information (assuming that it's obviously a 2-shot situation) are the fouler's number and the shooter's number. Those things MUST be communicated at the spot of the foul, but are very often overlooked.

There are very few feelings worse than having NO idea who the shooter is. If you force yourself to tell your partner(s) the shooter's number, one of you is much more likely to remember.

At the high school level, I'm content if my partner's tell me what they have (number of shots or inbounds location). I'll get their shooter for them. I expect more from my college partners.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

It's unnecessary because everybody knows it's two shots. I don't have a problem with signaling two shots, unless it's the only information given at the spot. This is a pet peeve of mine. Guys give a quick fist, put up two fingers, yell "Two!" and then run to the table.

The "Two" indication is probably the least important piece of information to be given at the spot of the foul; yet for many officials (high school AND college), it's the ONLY information given at the spot of the foul.

So you're against it because officials don't give a proper prelim? That's a stupid reason. Where did I say only the number of FTs should be shot? I didn't. I said number of shots and shooter. So WTF are you disagreeing with?

I guess there's no reason to give it as you report or when the L steps into the lane either, eh? After all, everybody knows it.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Including me! I don't care if you call it a hold or a block. The two most important pieces of information (assuming that it's obviously a 2-shot situation) are the fouler's number and the shooter's number. Those things MUST be communicated at the spot of the foul, but are very often overlooked.

Wait a minute. You aren't disagreeing. I wish you'd make up your damn mind.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

So you're against it because officials don't give a proper prelim?

Who ever said I was against it?!?!?! Right in the post that you quoted I said, "I don't have a problem with signaling two shots, unless it's the only information given at the spot". I never said I was against it or that it shouldn't be done. I answered YOUR specific question as to why it is unnecessary. I said it was unnecessary because it provides information that everyone already knows (assuming it's obvious that we have a shooting foul). Your panties are in a bunch for no reason.

Wait a minute. You aren't disagreeing. I wish you'd make up your damn mind.

Exactly, I'm not disagreeing. I never was disagreeing. I wish you'd read my damn posts.