Critique anyone

[dan74]

Although strongly considering hanging up my stripes, I have a VG game today, my first varsity game, that would be unfair to pull out of. It's broadcasted via the net at I Fan Sports Network at ifan.tv/

I haven't worked a three person game before, only scrimmages, so I'm sure I'll mess up some switches; however, should you have any input on court presence, mechanics, etc. Feel free.

I'll be the big doofus, yes, the one with glasses and a goatee. The game starts at 1:00 PM central time (Clayton HS v. West Salem)...click live events...Clayton game...enter.

[26 Year Gap]

Put the bad experience behind you.

[Snake~eyes]

Watched for a few minutes, video is poor.

Some comments, and they're JMO:
1) Work on the court as trail, you are working out of bounds.
2) Don't signal TWO shots on obvious shooting foul at spot of foul.
3) Don't go stand next to coach after you report a foul - you are only inviting him to complain.

[grunewar]

And the announcer is horrible, in a dry humor kinda way......

Enjoyed watching it though. Thanks

[tomegun]

Is it halftime? I got the screen up and it just has a clock counting down. It is on now.

1. Are you going tableside or not? I've seen both on foul calls in the frontcourt.
2. The whistles have no pop. They are long and drawn out too much for my liking.
3. Mechanics are not a concern in this game. When reporting, the mechanics are not crisp and the voice isn't very good. A tall official doesn't look good when they bend over during mechanics.
4. There is zero hustle to the spot to report fouls.
5. I can't tell which official the OP is, but for this level I think all the officials are qualified enough to work. This game is slow though.
6. Pet peeve: when administering the ball for a throw in, it looks goofy for the official to raise their hand prior to giving the player the ball. Things happen and the official ends up standing there with the hand up. Why not just hand/bounce the player the ball and then raising the hand?
7. I just saw a hit mechanic that almost made me vomit! As you can tell mechanics (communication) is important to me.
8. Even with the Internet feed, I can tell there is some serious ball-watching going on.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

2) Don't signal TWO shots on obvious shooting foul at spot of foul.

Why not?

[BktBallRef]

Video isn't great. But I will say, to your credit, you hustle to the reporting area and then you come to a stop before reporting. You partners come across as lazy because they both non-chalantly walk toward to the table AND report without stopping. Very lazy looking.

OOPS! Just saw this but couldn't tell who it was. Tableside T waving off the shot at the end of the 3rd quarter. Who's call is that. NFHS - C or T opposite table. NCAA - C. Never tableside T.

OOPS again! Just as I pat you on the back, you call a foul and walk to the reporting area.

Yep, you did it again. Must be getting tired.

In any case, I don't see anything that makes me believe you should hang 'em up. Don't let a bunch of idiots run you off.

[Kelvin green]

I guess I am not as good a websurfer as I thought I was. I could not find the game..

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Why not?

I think it looks awkard and its unnecssary communication. JMO.

[BktBallRef]

If it's a shooting foul, you should always indicate the number of shots and the shooter's number before moving to the table. I don't see how it's either awkward or unnecessary.

IOW, I disagree.

[mj]

I only caught the second half...

The video is very grainy. I can't even make out which one is you. So I'll comment on the crew.

Early in the third quarter there was a backcourt violation that appeared legal. There was no possession in the front court.

Calling officials walked through the players too much when going to report fouls. Excellent job of stopping when you reported however.

Trail officials are positioned too high (C maybe as well) and should step down when a shot is taken.

End of the third quarter, the trail table side blew his whistle and waved his arms. It should have only been the C, who was opposite the table.

Trails are way too high on first of bonus free throws. You need to be able to officiate rebounding action and it's impossible to call (and sell) from half court.

Calling official (in 3-person) should notify the coach when a player is disqualified. You guys switched.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by mj

Early in the third quarter there was a backcourt violation that appeared legal. There was no possession in the front court.

Video froze on me at that point but the announcer seemed to want to question it as well.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by dan74

Although strongly considering hanging up my stripes, I have a VG game today, my first varsity game, that would be unfair to pull out of. It's broadcasted via the net at I Fan Sports Network at ifan.tv/

I haven't worked a three person game before, only scrimmages, so I'm sure I'll mess up some switches; however, should you have any input on court presence, mechanics, etc. Feel free.

I'll be the big doofus, yes, the one with glasses and a goatee. The game starts at 1:00 PM central time (Clayton HS v. West Salem)...click live events...Clayton game...enter.

I'm having a hard time telling which one you are. So I'll just comment on the crew as a whole.

Overall, doing a good job. Getting the obvious calls and maintaining control of the game.

As a crew, a little slow to rotate at lead sometimes. Mainly because the lead doesn't get to close-down quickly enough. The lead isn't even starting to rotate sometimes until the pass to the post is already in the air.

Pretty good crew communication. However, the crew didn't communicate that there were six team fouls so nobody knew it was bonus on the 7th foul (that didn't look good).

Very quiet gym doesn't mean the crew needs to be quiet as a mouse too. I'd like to hear more strong voices at the spot of the foul and also at the table.

C and T are bailing out on shots and on loose balls instead of staying put or stepping towards the basket. I think the lead is having to watch way more of the rebounding action than he would have to if our T and C were staying engaged.

A couple of across-the-key calls from the lead (not trusting the center official). Part of that might be the fact that C and T are bailing out so the lead is starting to feel like he has to stay active instead of having a patient whistle.

I don't think an official with his back to the table should ever look back over his shoulder (taking eyes off the players) to see the arrow. The officials facing the table should do that. Pregame that.

The crew is doing a good job of recognizing time-outs and granting them immediately.

Sometimes the C is too high (top-of-the-key or higher). Start at foul-line extended and adjust from there. C should be parallel to the sideline about 90% of the time. C is at a 45-degree angle too much (that closes your vision to the high screens). Sometimes the C is even about the 28' foot line which is where the T should be.

Right before the end of the half, the administering official waited for about 3 subs to come in, one after the other. Part of my pregame is that we don't wait for subs. If they are at the table (or even almost there) fine. However, if we are ready to inbound and the player is just getting off the bench, we aren't waiting for them. That was about a 30-second break while we waited for subs that was unnecessary, IMO.

Well disregard everything I said. I just realized I was watching Medford vs. Sommerset. Dammit!

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I'm having a hard time telling which one you are. So I'll just comment on the crew as a whole.

Overall, doing a good job. Getting the obvious calls and maintaining control of the game.

As a crew, a little slow to rotate at lead sometimes. Mainly because the lead doesn't get to close-down quickly enough. The lead isn't even starting to rotate sometimes until the pass to the post is already in the air.

Pretty good crew communication. However, the crew didn't communicate that there were six team fouls so nobody knew it was bonus on the 7th foul (that didn't look good).

Very quiet gym doesn't mean the crew needs to be quiet as a mouse too. I'd like to hear more strong voices at the spot of the foul and also at the table.

C and T are bailing out on shots and on loose balls instead of staying put or stepping towards the basket. I think the lead is having to watch way more of the rebounding action than he would have to if our T and C were staying engaged.

A couple of across-the-key calls from the lead (not trusting the center official). Part of that might be the fact that C and T are bailing out so the lead is starting to feel like he has to stay active instead of having a patient whistle.

I don't think an official with his back to the table should ever look back over his shoulder (taking eyes off the players) to see the arrow. The officials facing the table should do that. Pregame that.

The crew is doing a good job of recognizing time-outs and granting them immediately.

Sometimes the C is too high (top-of-the-key or higher). Start at foul-line extended and adjust from there. C should be parallel to the sideline about 90% of the time. C is at a 45-degree angle too much (that closes your vision to the high screens). Sometimes the C is even about the 28' foot line which is where the T should be.

Right before the end of the half, the administering official waited for about 3 subs to come in, one after the other. Part of my pregame is that we don't wait for subs. If they are at the table (or even almost there) fine. However, if we are ready to inbound and the player is just getting off the bench, we aren't waiting for them. That was about a 30-second break while we waited for subs that was unnecessary, IMO.

Well disregard everything I said. I just realized I was watching Medford vs. Sommerset. Dammit!

I disagree with you Z...nobody should "DISREGARD" your critique. It is very good. There are some great pointers in there for officials trying to get better.

Also, IMHO...BBR has some good comments. (And BBR actually gave some POSITIVE reinforcement to the guy.)

I have to admit though, Z, I don't really have to much of a hang-up on waiting for the subs...if I see that a coach wants to get a player in...I'll usually wait. But, if you have a problem with it, definetly a good idea to pre-game so that the crew can be on the same page.