ms game... college atmospher

[Bearfanmike20]

I was doing a ms trio last night. 6th, 7th and 8th. Wow.. just wow. It was small gym and the crowd was right on top of you. maybe.. 50 people in the stands. Not that many, but they were LOUD. Deafeningly LOUD. I think my ears are still ringing.

Any way.. both coaches were screamers. Almost had my first T. A1 (Blue) driving down the lane. Going up for a basket and B1 (white) gets him on the arm. I call the foul. Whole place erupts. Coach is like "why??" I report and as I'm walking back to the other end I calmly say to the coach, "He got him on the arm coach" He start screaming as I walk away, "His feet were on the ground it shouldn't be a shooting foul" He kept screaming that over and over again.

I pointed to him and said "Coach thats enough!!". He stopped.

My partner had to tell the other coach to "Sit Down" on another call he made.

Also had another call.
A1 (white) Driving down the lane, B1 (blue) trying to get into posistion I'm ready to call the block, but at the last second A1 lifts his elbow right into the chest of B1. I call the player control foul. Place errupts. It was the right call IMO because of the elbow.

Anyway.. crazy night.. lots of fun though.

ps... confirmation please...

In the act of shooting doesn't mean the the player has to leave the ground.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

ps... confirmation please...

In the act of shooting doesn't mean the the player has to leave the ground.

Look up various rules pertaining to this phrase. Then you tell us.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Look up various rules pertaining to this phrase. Then you tell us.

4-41-1

The act of shooting begins simultaniously with the start of the try or tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight, and includes the airborne shooter.

What I take from that is that you do not have to be airborne to be attempting the shot, so I made the right call. Thats what I thought.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

What I take from that is that you do not have to be airborne to be attempting the shot, so I made the right call. Thats what I thought.

Correct, all you have to do is "begin" the act of shooting which includes the normal pre-attempt movements...for instance think of a player going up for a layup, once they take that step where the pivot foot has been lifted and the non-pivot is on the floor before they jump off of it, that is all part of the normal movement preceeding a try...included in the try even though the player has yet to leave the ground..

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

What I take from that is that you do not have to be airborne to be attempting the shot, so I made the right call. Thats what I thought.

Yes, you did. This is why I hate it when officials say "on the floor" when the foul was before the shot. "On the floor" is irrelevant. Even if an airborne shooter is fouled prior to jumping, it could be a shooting foul if his attempt had started prior to the contact.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Correct, all you have to do is "begin" the act of shooting which includes the normal pre-attempt movements...for instance think of a player going up for a layup, once they take that step where the pivot foot has been lifted and the non-pivot is on the floor before they jump off of it, that is all part of the normal movement preceeding a try...included in the try even though the player has yet to leave the ground..

It's easier imo if you just relate the end of a dribble to the start of a try. How do you end a dribble? By grabbing the ball. How do you start a try? By grabbing the ball. Soooooo, once the player "gathers" the ball, his/her try has started.

Foot movements are only really relevant when it comes to determining whether a player traveled during the try.

[Rich]

Never underestimate the power of a middle school game.

About 12 years ago I was trying to break into the varsity roster where I lived at the time (I was a recent transplant). Another guy in the same boat and I were scheduled for a middle school game between two rivals. I was a poor graduate student and would work a MS game at 4PM and then a JV game at 6PM somewhere else, if I could.

I'm not exaggerating when I say I've never seen a gym so packed full and so loud.

The home coach wasn't happy with a shooting foul I called with 2 seconds left. The free throws won the game and we needed a police escort out. The home coach sent a tape to the supervisor asking for our heads and the supervisor told him he watched the entire game and it was superbly officiated from beginning to end. I'm convinced my promotion to the varsity roster the following month had a lot to do with this game.

In your situation: Don't be "ready to call the block." Referee the defense, anticipate the PLAY, and let the play happen. Anticipating the block can lead to bad things happening, especially if there's a double whistle and you are quick to signal block (while your partner signals a PC foul). And when you work up to higher levels, the kids are more athletic and can avoid fouling when it looks like there's no way they could possibly do so.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yes, you did. This is why I hate it when officials say "on the floor" when the foul was before the shot. "On the floor" is irrelevant. Even if an airborne shooter is fouled prior to jumping, it could be a shooting foul if his attempt had started prior to the contact.

While I don't use 'on the floor', the phrase to me signifies where the ball is spotted and is more a verbal confirmation to my partners and 'selling' the call to spectators and coaches that the foul occured was prior to an attempt. I've never associated 'on the floor' with your reference. JMO

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

I was doing a ms trio last night. 6th, 7th and 8th. Wow.. just wow. It was small gym and the crowd was right on top of you. maybe.. 50 people in the stands. Not that many, but they were LOUD. Deafeningly LOUD. I think my ears are still ringing.

Any way.. both coaches were screamers. Almost had my first T. A1 (Blue) driving down the lane. Going up for a basket and B1 (white) gets him on the arm. I call the foul. Whole place erupts. Coach is like "why??" I report and as I'm walking back to the other end I calmly say to the coach, "He got him on the arm coach" He start screaming as I walk away, "His feet were on the ground it shouldn't be a shooting foul" He kept screaming that over and over again.

I pointed to him and said "Coach thats enough!!". He stopped.

My partner had to tell the other coach to "Sit Down" on another call he made.

Also had another call.
A1 (white) Driving down the lane, B1 (blue) trying to get into posistion I'm ready to call the block, but at the last second A1 lifts his elbow right into the chest of B1. I call the player control foul. Place errupts. It was the right call IMO because of the elbow.

Anyway.. crazy night.. lots of fun though.

ps... confirmation please...

In the act of shooting doesn't mean the the player has to leave the ground.

Games assigned by JM or CM?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Never underestimate the power of a middle school game.

I too had a raucous crowd last night for two MS games. Full stands/small gym. LOUD! Unfortunately, the first game's level of play didn't quite live up to the crowd's enthusiasm or expectations. However, the wild part was, after a somewhat sloppy, poor shooting game, a player hit two long shots in the last two minutes to tie the game 17-17 at the end of regulation (sorry JR). 17!!! Not the best qulaity of hoops, but the crowd and players seemed to enjoy themselves......and I'm sure most of the players had never gone to OT before.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Games assigned by JM or CM?

JM

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I too had a raucous crowd last night for two MS games. Full stands/small gym. LOUD! Unfortunately, the first game's level of play didn't quite live up to the crowd's enthusiasm or expectations. However, the wild part was, after a somewhat sloppy, poor shooting game, a player hit two long shots in the last two minutes to tie the game 17-17 at the end of regulation (sorry JR). 17!!! Not the best qulaity of hoops, but the crowd and players seemed to enjoy themselves......and I'm sure most of the players had never gone to OT before.

Funny you mention it.. my 1st game went OT also. 20 to 20 LOL

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by grunewar

a player hit two long shots in the last two minutes to tie the game 17-17 at the end of regulation

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

Funny you mention it.. my 1st game went OT also. 20 to 20 LOL

What the H-E double hockey sticks is wrong with you guys?

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

In your situation: Don't be "ready to call the block." Referee the defense, anticipate the PLAY, and let the play happen. Anticipating the block can lead to bad things happening, especially if there's a double whistle and you are quick to signal block (while your partner signals a PC foul). And when you work up to higher levels, the kids are more athletic and can avoid fouling when it looks like there's no way they could possibly do so.

I was ready to call the block on the one.. and was anticipating it.. but right at the end the offensive player lifted his elbow and HE initiated contact by doing so. I may have been wrong, but in my eyes even thought the defender wasn't completely set, since the offensive player reached out with his elbow to initiate contact, I called the PC.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

What the H-E double hockey sticks is wrong with you guys?

I said I was sorry! Sheesh! I figure there will be a little something extra in my paycheck.....that's how it works right? Extra time, extra pay! (sarc)