You make the Call

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Btw, it's not really a good idea to try and back up your own view by saying that assignors agree with you, unless you are an assignor and you also know that the great majority of assignors also hold that view.

[B](I never said exclusively that assignor(s) agree with me. I stated that if they have a problem with an official enforcing a POE then that's a problem in itself.)[/B]


Btw, fwiw the POE that you are referencing specifically is concerned with 2 situations- post play and screening- where the displacement is also definitely putting an opponent at a disadvantage.

(I won't quote the entire displacement section. This is the last sentence and basis for my discussion. "When a player dislodges an opponent from an established position by pushing or backing in it is a foul." It doesn't state you should have a patient whistle or see the results of the play in order to penalize appropiately. It's a FOUL!!!

Jurassic Referee, I understand all the principles, concepts which are being discussed. I just don't agree with them. If an official is officiating off ball like he/she is suppose to do. They will not know if an attempt is success or unsuccessful in order to penalize something that occurred in their PCA. That's my point.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by truerookie

(I won't quote the entire displacement section. This is the last sentence and basis for my discussion. "When a player dislodges an opponent from an established position by pushing or backing in it is a foul." It doesn't state you should have a patient whistle or see the results of the play in order to penalize appropiately. It's a FOUL!!!

Jurassic Referee, I understand all the principles, concepts which are being discussed. I just don't agree with them. If an official is officiating off ball like he/she is suppose to do. They will not know if an attempt is success or unsuccessful in order to penalize something that occurred in their PCA. That's my point.

I agree with you to an extent. But the off-ball official should have knowledge of the status of the ball, even if she's not really watching closely. Off-ball officials MUST know if there's a shot in the air, whether it goes or not and so on. When a foul is a gotta-get, then ya gotta-get it no matter where the ball, how much time is left, or whatever. But the A/D thing gets stretched a little further than normal when there's a shot in flight, imo. It can't hurt to wait a half second and see if there's really any reason to call something, when it's not 3 feet of displacement, or knocking someone on their @ss. I think the POE is regarding the more obvious calls, and not the maybe stuff.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

When a foul is a gotta-get

Juulie, what's the mechanic for that? Is this it?

[CJRef]

We're not talking about taking your eyes out of your primary and following the flight of the ball, but you absolutely have to know the status of the ball, regardless of where you are at and what is going on in your primary. This includes whether or not it is going in. You may not be able to tell with 100% certainty that it will drop but you should have a good idea. If it goes in you need to know in the event your partner(s) need your help and if it doesn't you should be anticipating where the rebound is going to go in order to get a better look. I'll admit that it's a skill that takes time to develop, but I believe it's a very necessary one. To me it's like the difference between looking a couple of seconds ahead when you're driving and just seeing the break lights in front of you or looking a few more seconds ahead and seeing the wreck three cars in front of you and being able to stop in time.

[truerookie]

Interpretation, this is what this comes down to. Individual interpretation.

[Karin]

Incidental contact I agree that advantage/disadvantage principles be used.
Was it a game management call? Had there been tension between the players?Would you have made the same call at the start of the game?As an evaluator this is what I would be asking.If yes to these points or if the ref offered these explanations to me then all good