You make the Call

[MOFFICIAL]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Okay,

Had a BV game last night and here is the skinny:

Time running out on the clock, A1 takes a 3 point attempt, A2 pushes B1 while the ball is in flight, literly plowes him out of the paint. Tweet, I have a whistle on A2, the 3 point basket is good and Team B is in the bonus. So, we go and shoot the 1 and 1 on the other end. I get in the locker room and the R is pissed that I had a whistle on that call and states that since there was 4.9 left on the clock, I should have let that one go. I told him that it was a total dislodge and put B1 at a disadvantage. Am I wrong for making such a call??? Comments.....

OK I have a question.
Did you wave off the made three point basket because of the foul on A2? Then go to the other end and shoot your 1 &1.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MOFFICIAL

OK I have a question.
Did you wave off the made three point basket because of the foul on A2? Then go to the other end and shoot your 1 &1.

He better not have.

But OP did say "Tweet, I have a whistle on A2, the 3 point basket is good and Team B is in the bonus." so it appears he did count the 3-pointer.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by MOFFICIAL

OK I have a question.
Did you wave off the made three point basket because of the foul on A2? Then go to the other end and shoot your 1 &1.

Good question! Would you have waived off the 3 pointer?

[IREFU2]

The ball was in the air, then came the whistle. The 3 point basket was counted. There is no team control while the ball is in the air for a try.

[MOFFICIAL]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Good question! Would you have waived off the 3 pointer?

No. The foul on A2 was neither a player control or team control foul as there is no team control on a try for goal.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Good question! Would you have waived off the 3 pointer?

If the ball is in the air on a try, then the try counts even if there is a foul on A.

[ranjo]

Rob -

Just my two cents worth since I wasn't there.

In the college arena it probably would have been let go because of the score, time remaining, and the fact that players at that level are usually allowed (and can handle) more contact.

With that said, at the high school level (and yes in our area we have AAA schools playing at very high levels) I started including a statement in my pre-game that we would referee the game all the way to the ending buzzer. I included this because I have had more than one game go to pieces in the waning minutes and seconds because the officiating got loose after the game had been decided and there was still time on the clock.

[Adam]

It looks like the displacement on this play was sufficient to draw the whistle, even if the shot went in.

I will say last week I had a similar call I regreted. Rebounding foul on the "shooting team," three point shot fell in just as I blew the whistle. This wasn't nearly so obvious, though, and the displacement was minor. I should have held for a second, but....

[Back In The Saddle]

If there is no advantage gained (which there isn't if the basket is good), then let it go. Unless it's a pretty significant foul.

I don't like to let anybody get away with a significant foul in the waning seconds just because the game is about to end. That's just giving somebody a free shot at his opponent.

[CJRef]

What is A2 going to do with B1's spot in this situation? Deflect the ball to the baseline after it goes through the net? If there's no advantage then let it go, unless, as I said before, it's more of a takedown and it's going to make the game end ugly.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by CJRef

What is A2 going to do with B1's spot in this situation? Deflect the ball to the baseline after it goes through the net? If there's no advantage then let it go, unless, as I said before, it's more of a takedown and it's going to make the game end ugly.

Nice!

So here is my next timeout conversation:

Hey girls, we're down by ten with 8 seconds left...Molly, you get a free shot at B2 without a chance of a foul call.

I don't think so....I agree with OP's call

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Nice!

So here is my next timeout conversation:

Hey girls, we're down by ten with 8 seconds left...Molly, you get a free shot at B2 without a chance of a foul call.

I don't think so....I agree with OP's call

This is entirely different from what we're discussing - is B1 at a disadvantage in this play?

Some of us (including me) would say no regardless of the time left on the clock, since the ball went in.

To take that as justification to tell your players to go out & assault someone is silly.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by CJRef

What is A2 going to do with B1's spot in this situation? Deflect the ball to the baseline after it goes through the net? If there's no advantage then let it go, unless, as I said before, it's more of a takedown and it's going to make the game end ugly.

I totally agree. I think Bob and Dan was trying to get the OP to see this. My thing is if it's not a complete take down and it is a classic backed or pushed him off of his rebound spot, I would wait to see if there was going to be a rebound before I make the call. A little patient whistle here and we're walking off the court in 4 seconds. Now we have to go to the other end and another opportunity to prolong the game and have more crap put into it. The 4.5 seconds can now take about 2-3minutes. (B1 makes his FTs, and they foul immediately, we go down shoot for A1, he makes two, but A2 dislodges the B1 in anticpation of a rebound on the 2nd FT and our OP calls the foul because he wants to be consistent, so we do it all over again, etc etc.. all hypothetical of course)

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Good question! Would you have waived off the 3 pointer?

I suppose you could but that would mean you went against the rules.

[truerookie]

I think we take this advantage/disadvantage concept; philsophy; criteria too far when it comes to making the proper call regardless of how much time is on the clock. The OP made a call which is very clear some DO NOT HAVE THE GUTS to make.

Assignor: I seen the game; good game until towards the end there was a foul which should have been called. (Displacement) POE

Official: Yeah, I was applying A/DAD because there was only 4.9 seconds left to play in the game.

This would go over well.

I understand where CoachP is coming from. To be able to identify that when it's close to closing time( game ending) some official(s) just wants to get the game over with and go home. This is the area of the game in which officials need to be more attentive. The closing seconds of a close game. Every officials should manage the game from opening whistle to final horn and then observe the hand shakes at the end.

In the OP close game, a physical play happen DISPLACEMENT which is a Point of Emphasis this year. Great call!!!