You make the Call

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Speculation on my part and I know it doesn't answer your specific question.

But it may have to do with the temperature of the game. A contentious game between rivals and B1 may retaliate if there is no whistle?

While this may be true he did say B1 was put at a disadvantage...and while we're really drifting off topic that's gonna be a pretty special case to call the foul with 4.9 seconds left if the idea was to keep the game in control.

btw I'm not saying the foul may or may not have been good, just questioning what he said about B1 being at a disadvantage. I do agree there are times the game needs a whistle that has little to do with advantage/disadvantage.

[IREFU2]

The ball was in the air, then came the whistle. The 3 point basket was counted. There is no team control while the ball is in the air for a try.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

If the ball went in how is B1 at a disadvantage?

The disadvantage came with when B1 was pushed out of his spot across the paint......

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

The disadvantage came with when B1 was pushed out of his spot across the paint......

And because of that B1 .... what? Couldn't get the rebound?

[MOFFICIAL]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Good question! Would you have waived off the 3 pointer?

No. The foul on A2 was neither a player control or team control foul as there is no team control on a try for goal.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Good question! Would you have waived off the 3 pointer?

If the ball is in the air on a try, then the try counts even if there is a foul on A.

[IREFU2]

Bottom line is, everyone is entitled to a spot on the floor, if said person is driven out of that spot, its a foul.

[CJRef]

What is A2 going to do with B1's spot in this situation? Deflect the ball to the baseline after it goes through the net? If there's no advantage then let it go, unless, as I said before, it's more of a takedown and it's going to make the game end ugly.

[ranjo]

Rob -

Just my two cents worth since I wasn't there.

In the college arena it probably would have been let go because of the score, time remaining, and the fact that players at that level are usually allowed (and can handle) more contact.

With that said, at the high school level (and yes in our area we have AAA schools playing at very high levels) I started including a statement in my pre-game that we would referee the game all the way to the ending buzzer. I included this because I have had more than one game go to pieces in the waning minutes and seconds because the officiating got loose after the game had been decided and there was still time on the clock.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And because of that B1 .... what? Couldn't get the rebound?

If the ball was still in flight at the time of whistle, there still is a chance at a rebound. Which is why A2 pushed, isn't it?

[Adam]

It looks like the displacement on this play was sufficient to draw the whistle, even if the shot went in.

I will say last week I had a similar call I regreted. Rebounding foul on the "shooting team," three point shot fell in just as I blew the whistle. This wasn't nearly so obvious, though, and the displacement was minor. I should have held for a second, but....

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by CJRef

What is A2 going to do with B1's spot in this situation? Deflect the ball to the baseline after it goes through the net? If there's no advantage then let it go, unless, as I said before, it's more of a takedown and it's going to make the game end ugly.

Nice!

So here is my next timeout conversation:

Hey girls, we're down by ten with 8 seconds left...Molly, you get a free shot at B2 without a chance of a foul call.

I don't think so....I agree with OP's call

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Nice!

So here is my next timeout conversation:

Hey girls, we're down by ten with 8 seconds left...Molly, you get a free shot at B2 without a chance of a foul call.

I don't think so....I agree with OP's call

This is entirely different from what we're discussing - is B1 at a disadvantage in this play?

Some of us (including me) would say no regardless of the time left on the clock, since the ball went in.

To take that as justification to tell your players to go out & assault someone is silly.

[Back In The Saddle]

If there is no advantage gained (which there isn't if the basket is good), then let it go. Unless it's a pretty significant foul.

I don't like to let anybody get away with a significant foul in the waning seconds just because the game is about to end. That's just giving somebody a free shot at his opponent.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Good question! Would you have waived off the 3 pointer?

I suppose you could but that would mean you went against the rules.