Five Second Count Screen

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

If there's a screener between the player with the ball and the defender, the defender is no longer guarding the player with the ball.

The count should have been discontinued.

I disagree. The defender is still within 6 feet, and is still guarding the ballhandler. Keep counting.

[BktBallRef]

So you are an IAABO rules interpreter and you disagree with their ruling?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

So you are an IAABO rules interpreter and you disagree with their ruling?

I don't even know exactly what IAABO is, so we won't go there. But, as far as NFHS goes, is this specified in an interp or an old case play or something? Though uncommon, we have all seen a defender block a shot from behind a screen. But he cannot be considered to be guarding?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I disagree. The defender is still within 6 feet, and is still guarding the ballhandler. Keep counting.

I agree, for NFHS. For NCAA, I believe the count does stop...but am not certain.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I agree, for NFHS. For NCAA, I believe the count does stop...but am not certain.

That's what RefMag published this month, iirc. (And, yes, I know that's there are frequently errors in the magazine).

What I find interesting is that this topic did NOT make it into RefMag's "Rules Differences" publication (at least as far as I can tell).

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I agree, for NFHS. For NCAA, I believe the count does stop...but am not certain.

NCAA 4-13-4: "When a player is positioned between the player in control of the ball and his or her opponent, who is within 6 feet (men) or 3 feet (women), a closely guarded situation does not exist."

NFHS, as far as I know, lacks this explicit stipulation.