"The turnover"

[JRutledge]

All violations and steals are considered turnovers in the box score. So the terminology is not wrong. The commentators are looking at the turnover stat as a gauge to who is winning or losing and why they are winning and losing. That is coach and player talk, not officiating talk. This is no different than how in football there is so much focus on 3 and outs. It is just another way to explain what is going on in the game.

Peace

[BillyMac]

From JRutledge: "All violations and steals are considered turnovers in the box score."

When I coached, we called it a "turnover" everytime we had the ball and didn't get off a shot, so I would add team control and player control fouls to JRutledge's list. I'm not sure about blocked shots, but I think that it's also a turnover.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When I coached, we called it a "turnover" everytime we had the ball and didn't get off a shot,

Does that include not getting off a shot at the end of a quarter because time runs out on you? I thought the other team had to get a possession for the event to be a turnover. Isn't that what turnover means - you "turned the ball over to the other team"?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Does that include not getting off a shot at the end of a quarter because time runs out on you? I thought the other team had to get a possession for the event to be a turnover. Isn't that what turnover means - you "turned the ball over to the other team"?

Not totally sure. I think deadball rebounds may come into play.

[Mark Dexter]

Had to check the stats manual (NCAA):

A turnover occurs when a team, after gaining control of the ball or
having been entitled to the ball, does not produce a try for goal (field or free)
that would count if it goes in, before the opponent either gains control of the
ball, is entitled to the ball or scores a goal. (Exception: If the failure to produce a field-goal attempt is due to the expiration of time at the end of the half, game or overtime, then no turnover is charged.)

Philosophy. The purpose of a turnover is to reflect statistically the times in
which a team was given the ball and should have gotten some kind of shot but, before it could get any kind of shot, made some type of mistake that turned the ball over to the opponent. A turnover can only be charged against the offense; that is, the team with the ball. A team becomes the team with the ball when it has control (including during free throws) or is entitled to the ball for either a throw-in or a free throw.

[mick]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From JRutledge: "All violations and steals are considered turnovers in the box score."

When I coached, we called it a "turnover" everytime we had the ball and didn't get off a shot, so I would add team control and player control fouls to JRutledge's list. I'm not sure about blocked shots, but I think that it's also a turnover.

BktBallRef agrees with you in response #6.