And I thought I had seen it all!

[zebraman]

Is this serious? If so, I don't even know where to start.

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Is this serious? If so, I don't even know where to start.

It actually happened last night and I don't know whether to laugh because of what hapened or cry because we somehow lost control of a game in the waning moments. I did not sleep well last night just going back over and over those last few minutes.

[zebraman]

Probably several lessons to learn here. These are just my opinions based on what I read. I wasn't there. Take this for what it's worth.

First of all, don't take it all on yourself. It takes a crew to manage a game. Not just one official. We celebrate success as a team and we suffer mistakes as a team.

Second of all, a school being "Christian" means nothing. Just because the parents send their kids to a Christian school, don't expect the game (or the kids) to be well-behaved. Even if Christians were better behaved, some parents send their delinquent kids to a Christian school to try to reform them. Don't fall into the trap of believing that Christian school games will be more controlled.

Blow-outs are tough to manage. One team is frustrated and the other team might be bored (or they might be frustrated too because they wanted a challenge). We need to heighten our awareness in these games, not let our guard down. You might need to get together with your partner(s) and say, "we're going to call everything for the next 2 minutes until we regain control."

You knew you missed the first shenanigan. You and your partners have to catch the instigator in the 2nd shenanigan. If not, whack em' both. It has not bearing on the game (blowout city right?) and you need to get control back.

I would not have whacked the girl for the acrobatics. In a situation that sounded tense and borderline out-of-control, she lended some levity to the situation. I think I might have laughed and applauded too. You ignored or missed more serious things, why whack her? But that is just me.

[ranjo]

I would not have whacked the girl for the acrobatics. In a situation that sounded tense and borderline out-of-control, she lended some levity to the situation. I think I might have laughed and applauded too. You ignored or missed more serious things, why whack her? But that is just me.[/QUOTE]

Post game I told my partner I probably would not have wacked her if not for the fact she had already been warned.

[blindzebra]

This has to be the basketball officials version of dear Penthouse Forum.

[Bad Zebra]

I'm just sitting here waiting for the thread to get around to how to handle the "grabbing" incident. (ahem, no pun intended)

[Indianaref]

We need video!

[mkiogima]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

We need video!

I agree. We definitely need a video replay to make a ruling.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ranjo

I would not have whacked the girl for the acrobatics. In a situation that sounded tense and borderline out-of-control, she lended some levity to the situation. I think I might have laughed and applauded too. You ignored or missed more serious things, why whack her? But that is just me.

Post game I told my partner I probably would not have wacked her if not for the fact she had already been warned.[/quote]

She didn't do anything against the rules unless what she said was itself unsportsmanlike...and that's unlikely since it involved her own team's fans. I would not have even warned her....definitely no T for the sommersault.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Post game I told my partner I probably would not have wacked her if not for the fact she had already been warned.

I come down on the "Justified T" side here: 1. She obviously pulled the stunt to elicit a crowd reaction and call attention to herself. 2. She had been warned previously 3. Last time I checked, a somersault didn't have much value in terms of basketball (unless maybe you're a Globetrotter) so I would conclude she WAS making a travesty of the game. Maybe she'll think twice next time, if nothing else.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I would conclude she WAS making a travesty of the game.

If you truly believe that it was a travesty of the game, then the appropriate penalty is not a technical foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I come down on the "Justified T" side here: 1. She obviously pulled the stunt to elicit a crowd reaction and call attention to herself.

So? That alone is certainly not a reason for a T. The team was down and effectively conceding the game. Nothing she did was taunting or disrespectful to anyone. It was a moment to smile at.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

2. She had been warned previously

For saying some unknown words to a supporter of her own team. If you don't know what was said, this seems really overly officious. Perhaps they were making pizza arrangement for after the game.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

3. Last time I checked, a somersault didn't have much value in terms of basketball (unless maybe you're a Globetrotter) so I would conclude she WAS making a travesty of the game.

That is hardly a travesty...I'm sure the winning team found it at least amusing. A travesty is when a team does something like repeated violating on purpose as if to protest or other such actions...not doing something goofy when the game is essentially over.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Maybe she'll think twice next time, if nothing else.

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Post game I told my partner I probably would not have wacked her if not for the fact she had already been warned.

She didn't do anything against the rules unless what she said was itself unsportsmanlike...and that's unlikely since it involved her own team's fans. I would not have even warned her....definitely no T for the sommersault.[/QUOTE]

After re-reading rule 10, I see that inciting the crowd is listed in the bench technical rule (10-4) and not in the player technical section (10-3). I stand corrected on that point.