Jump stop

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by texaspaul

This time the point drove the lane, jumped off the pivot with a long stride as if to shoot, tucked it back in, landed on both feet.

If the player jumped off the pivot, he has to pass or shoot before landing. He didn't. Therefore he traveled. Good call by your partner.

Rule 4-44-3(b)- "After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot, if a player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal."

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If the player jumped off the pivot, he has to pass or shoot before landing. He didn't. Therefore he traveled. Good call by your partner.

Rule 4-44-3(b)- "After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot, if a player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal."

Rule 4-44-2 A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:
(b) If one foot is on the floor:
(2) The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

The play sounds legal to me, but the description of the pivot foot is incorrect - the player never had a pivot foot.

[Rizzo21]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Rule 4-44-2 A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:
(b) If one foot is on the floor:
(2) The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

The play sounds legal to me, but the description of the pivot foot is incorrect - the player never had a pivot foot.

There we go, I was a bit confused and had this same play two nights ago (neither of us called anything, which was correct). No pivot established in the first place.

[texaspaul]

JD you are correct. My explanation was faulty.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Rule 4-44-2 A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:
(b) If one foot is on the floor:
(2) The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

The play sounds legal to me, but the description of the pivot foot is incorrect - the player never had a pivot foot.

Unfortunately, the original post said that the shooter did have a pivot foot. We can only give answers to what is given to us. And what was given to us was an obvious travel.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Unfortunately, the original post said that the shooter did have a pivot foot. We can only give answers to what is given to us. And what was given to us was an obvious travel.

Fair enough, though I prefer to probe when it's not clear. And I inferred from his post that he was talking about a legal jump stop.

[Johnny Ringo]

If the player with the ball is dribbling and jumps and while both feet are off the ground lands on two feet they can't have a pivot ... correct?

However, if a player is thrown a pass and and makes a jump stop while catching the ball they can pivot, correct?

If they land one foot first - the first foot to hit the ground is the pivot and can step with the other and shoot or pass.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

If the player with the ball is dribbling and jumps and while both feet are off the ground lands on two feet they can't have a pivot ... correct?

However, if a player is thrown a pass and and makes a jump stop while catching the ball they can pivot, correct?

If they land one foot first - the first foot to hit the ground is the pivot and can step with the other and shoot or pass.

Johnny - if the player picks up his dribble while in the air and lands on both feet simultaneously, he can pivot on either foot. Same with catching a pass.

The only time a player can't establish a pivot foot is if he/she picks up a dribble with one foot on the ground, then jumps off that foot onto both feet simultaneously. This is a jump stop as defined in the rules, and the player can then lift one or both feet and shoot or pass, but cannot pivot.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

If they land one foot first - the first foot to hit the ground is the pivot and can step with the other and shoot or pass.

Not quite true. I'll leave it up to you to look in the rules book to figure out why.

[Johnny Ringo]

That's why we have this board - what's not true. It ha to be a slight miss-wording on my part????????????????

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not quite true. I'll leave it up to you to look in the rules book to figure out why.

The first foot to touch is not the pivot when it touches the ground. The first foot to touch becomes the pivot when the second foot touches the ground.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

If they land one foot first - the first foot to hit the ground is the pivot and can step with the other and shoot or pass.

Nope, they can even jump off that first foot and land simultaneously on both...legally.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Nope, they can even jump off that first foot and land simultaneously on both...legally.

I would like to see that play

in the air land on one and then jump off that and land on two...the triple jump!

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If the player jumped off the pivot, he has to pass or shoot before landing. He didn't. Therefore he traveled. Good call by your partner.

Rule 4-44-3(b)- "After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot, if a player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal."

You are correct by rule JR, I didn't read it that closely - but I think the he misspoke and didn't mean to say he jumped "off the pivot"...I think you can picture the play he is referring to, as he is gathering the ball, he jumps off one foot and lands on two, therefore he does not have a pivot, but can jump off both and pass or shoot...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by kbilla

You are correct by rule JR, I didn't read it that closely - but I think the he misspoke and didn't mean to say he jumped "off the pivot"...I think you can picture the play he is referring to, as he is gathering the ball, he jumps off one foot and lands on two, therefore he does not have a pivot, but can jump off both and pass or shoot...

That's cool if he misspoke. But we can only answer on what we're given.

Every time I try to read somebody's mind, I invariably screw it up.