For discussion sake...

[CLH]

So, I'm watching Glory Road last night. In the NCAA Championship game Texas Western plays against Kansas, during a timeout Coach Haskins tells his players to stand near the Kansas team as they are coming out of the timeout. Obviously, he means for this to be an intimidating display or force, so here's the question. You're working this game and you see this happen, obviously we are not in the huddle with Texas Western so we don't know what they are told to do, but we see it happen.

5 Taunting technicals? No call? See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil? Thoughts?

CLH

[Rev.Ref63]

Originally Posted by CLH

So, I'm watching Glory Road last night. In the NCAA Championship game Texas Western plays against Kansas, during a timeout Coach Haskins tells his players to stand near the Kansas team as they are coming out of the timeout. Obviously, he means for this to be an intimidating display or force, so here's the question. You're working this game and you see this happen, obviously we are not in the huddle with Texas Western so we don't know what they are told to do, but we see it happen.

5 Taunting technicals? No call? See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil? Thoughts?

CLH

Take my advice CLH, retract this question and run! It's not worth it.

[JRutledge]

What is illegal about standing near someone's bench? Were the players standing out of bounds or on the floor?

Peace

[Texas Aggie]

Kentucky, not Kansas.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Kentucky, not Kansas.

I believe they played Kansas in the semi-final. Maybe regional final.

Anyway, they did play them at some point in the tournament.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Kentucky, not Kansas.

My bad, I was at a Kansas v. SMU game last week, guess I had them on my mind. Still, noone has really addressed the question.....

I don't know where they stood, I wasn't there, I'm speaking in hypothetical terms here! Coach Haskins tells the players he wants them standing there as the KENTUCKY team comes out of the huddle, "like a wall, like a force" (direct quote from the movie). So, again, KENTUCKY breaks their huddle and young Pat Riley turns around and he's nose to chest with Big Lattin and the other players staring them down. Got anything? Let it happen? Turn and run? Wonder who's gonna play you in the movie?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CLH

My bad, I was at a Kansas v. SMU game last week, guess I had them on my mind. Still, noone has really addressed the question.....

I don't know where they stood, I wasn't there, I'm speaking in hypothetical terms here! Coach Haskins tells the players he wants them standing there as the KENTUCKY team comes out of the huddle, "like a wall, like a force" (direct quote from the movie). So, again, KENTUCKY breaks their huddle and young Pat Riley turns around and he's nose to chest with Big Lattin and the other players staring them down. Got anything? Let it happen? Turn and run? Wonder who's gonna play you in the movie?

Understand sports movies use dramatic situations to make the story more interesting. There were many things in that game that were not quite accurate to help engulf the audience into the story. If I remember the movie correctly, they were not quite nose to nose. And if as an official they looked at each other, I do not think that would be an issue with me. Someone would have to do something or some contact would have to occur or words would have to be exchanged and that would be a little different. Even then, officiating is not about penalizing every time players interact negatively. Based on what I remember and the way you described the situation, Ts are for when things happen not for when players look at each other and make no contact. Intimidation is not illegal. If that was the case every time someone blocks a shot then we have to call an unsporting T.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by CLH

. So, again, KENTUCKY breaks their huddle and young Pat Riley turns around ?

Wasn't the Kentucky coach named Rupp?? I thought part of the story was that he was so impressed that he went back to Kentucky and integrated his program, and he was such a great coach that they named their new stadium after him all those years ago??

[CLH]

Oh yeah forgot also...

Rule 4, Section 7, Art. 2
During any timeout or before any extra period, bench personnel and
players shall locate themselves inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the
boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line and an imaginary
line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting
an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by CLH

Oh yeah forgot also...

Rule 4, Section 7, Art. 2
During any timeout or before any extra period, bench personnel and
players shall locate themselves inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the
boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line and an imaginary
line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting
an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

CLH:

I hate to be the one that tells you this but the Rule you just quoted above did not exist when when the game was played.

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by CLH

Oh yeah forgot also...

Rule 4, Section 7, Art. 2
During any timeout or before any extra period, bench personnel and
players shall locate themselves inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the
boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line and an imaginary
line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting
an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

If we put this into a HS game:
If the TEAM breaks this rule, which is very similar in the NFHS, then I would instruct them to adhere to it. If they didn't, then the penalty would be a TEAM technical foul. There is a ruling that says when multiple members of a team commit some infraction the intent of the rules is to penalize it with one team technical foul, not each individual.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If we put this into a HS game:
If the TEAM breaks this rule, which is very similar in the NFHS, then I would instruct them to adhere to it. If they didn't, then the penalty would be a TEAM technical foul. There is a ruling that says when multiple members of a team commit some infraction the intent of the rules is to penalize it with one team technical foul, not each individual.

So if a team leaves the designated bench area before the second horn, they have violated this rule?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

So if a team leaves the designated bench area before the second horn, they have violated this rule?

Coach, the rule says that their team conference must take place within that area, not that they cannot leave it once that talk is finished or that they even have to have such a chat. However, they certainly are not allowed to violate the sanctity of the opponent's huddle. That would clearly be unsporting. They need to respect the area designated for the opposing team during a time-out and stay out of it.