Throwing Clipboard

[IREFU2]

I would like to see the reasons behind the no's.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

I would like to see the reasons behind the no's.

Because there is no behavior or action that will "always" be a T.

[IREFU2]

Hmmm, interesting.....you might need to think that statement over...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Hmmm, interesting.....you might need to think that statement over...

Let me clarify. More general things, like "throwing a clipboard" require at least some judgment.

If you want to get specific, I'm sure you could come up with some that I would agree would be an automatic T. As in, "The coach throws a clipboard onto the court while screaming obscenities about the officials and their respective parents." I might be willing to call that automatic.

But they would be so specific as to be useless for the term "automatic."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Hmmm, interesting.....you might need to think that statement over...

No, maybe you need to think about that. Officiating involves a lot of grey and just because a clipboard hits the floor might not be because he/she slammed the board onto the floor. And I could use about a 100 other examples of how this or other things I would not consider to be "automatic" from my point of view. Now if you want to say "automatic" that is your right. But when you find a situation that goes against what you believe, let me know because there are a lot of things that may happen to you that will change your mind. For me I would be more concerned as to why a coach is slamming the clipboard, not just the fact the clipboard was slammed to the floor.

Peace

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No, maybe you need to think about that. Officiating involves a lot of grey and just because a clipboard hits the floor might not be because he/she slammed the board onto the floor. And I could use about a 100 other examples of how this or other things I would not consider to be "automatic" from my point of view. Now if you want to say "automatic" that is your right. But when you find a situation that goes against what you believe, let me know because there are a lot of things that may happen to you that will change your mind. For me I would be more concerned as to why a coach is slamming the clipboard, not just the fact the clipboard was slammed to the floor.

Peace

Yeah, I guess you are right about that and circumstances would only warrant a "T" if in the officials judgement it was an act of unsportslike conduct. But the statement "Because there is no behavior or action that will "always" be a T" would be an incorrect statement in my book and the rule book.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Yeah, I guess you are right about that and circumstances would only warrant a "T" if in the officials judgement it was an act of unsportslike conduct. But the statement "Because there is no behavior or action that will "always" be a T" would be an incorrect statement in my book and the rule book.

You are missing the point. Automatic means you do something without thought or judgment. Are there situations that would likely be a T? Of course there would be. But even things in the rulebook require some judgment and interpretation. I am just going to reserve some judgment and make sure I just observed what I actually observed and interpret why the action took place. Then I will make a decision. And the last time I read the rulebook, there are not many absolutes as to what is or is not a T. The rules tend to be left vague to allow for judgment to take over. For example, the rulebook says profanity is illegal. It does not specify which words are in that category.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Yeah, I guess you are right about that and circumstances would only warrant a "T" if in the officials judgement it was an act of unsportslike conduct. But the statement "Because there is no behavior or action that will "always" be a T" would be an incorrect statement in my book and the rule book.

Give me an example.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Give me an example.

A coach screams "F**K!" from his bench. Come on your's & Rut's points are well taken that nothing is an automatic that you must always use judgement in every case, but can you think of a situation where you wouldn't tech that? I guess maybe if his response was to the gym being set on fire I might let it slide....

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Give me an example.

Fighting? Profanity????