Head Coache's Rule

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Not sure if I agree with that interpretation...are you holding the coach to the other free throw lane restrictions as well? They are already allowed below free throw line extended (depending on the size of the box), how do you square allowing that "infraction" and penalizing another? I believe "opponent" in this case is referring to another player...To me this would fall more under an unsporting act, but that is JHMO....

A coach / the bench can "disconcert." Whether that happend in the OP or not, I don't know. ANd, it can often, and should often, be addressed before it gets to the point of having the violation.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A coach / the bench can "disconcert." Whether that happend in the OP or not, I don't know. ANd, it can often, and should often, be addressed before it gets to the point of having the violation.

Can you please provide a reference for that? I just have a hard time applying a rule like that to a coach...agree with you that there are other ways to deal with it, and it would never get to that point, but as a fundamental premise, where else do you apply an "in game" rule to a coach? Maybe there are some, but I can't think of any off hand...

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Can you please provide a reference for that? I just have a hard time applying a rule like that to a coach...agree with you that there are other ways to deal with it, and it would never get to that point, but as a fundamental premise, where else do you apply an "in game" rule to a coach? Maybe there are some, but I can't think of any off hand...

9.3.c. No opponent shall disconcert the free thrower. I'm defining opponent as all opponents, since it doesn't specifically say opponents on the playing court.

There should be "Definitions" section in the rule book.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

9.3.c. No opponent shall disconcert the free thrower. I'm defining opponent as all opponents, since it doesn't specifically say opponents on the playing court.

There should be "Definitions" section in the rule book.

When I say all, I'm referring to bench personnel as well.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Can you please provide a reference for that?

The NFHS issued a POE in the 2001-02 rulebook clarifying that disconcertion applies to all opponents, including the opponent's bench and everyone on the bench. That POE also clarified that if the disconcertion was persistent or deemed unsporting, an official could penalize the act not only as a delayed FT violation but with a technical foul in addition also.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The NFHS issued a POE in the 2001-02 rulebook clarifying that disconcertion applies to all opponents, including the opponent's bench and everyone on the bench. That POE also clarified that if the disconcertion was persistent or deemed unsporting, an official could penalize the act not only as a delayed FT violation but with a technical foul in addition also.

Interesting, thanks...

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The NFHS issued a POE in the 2001-02 rulebook clarifying that disconcertion applies to all opponents, including the opponent's bench and everyone on the bench. That POE also clarified that if the disconcertion was persistent or deemed unsporting, an official could penalize the act not only as a delayed FT violation but with a technical foul in addition also.

Interesting you say that. Last year I had a notoriously mis-behaved coach (he was fired at end of season) earn a T for that. After arguing a foul call, he was squatting in front of his seat (1st Half so FTs by opponent are in front of him) while we were administering the FTs. I was T (2-person), so I had him in my line of sight. He waited until the shooter started his shooting motion and then he slapped the floor real hard and yelled BOX OUT. I wacked him for unsporting behavior. When he asked me what the T was for, I said "unsporting behavior". He asked "what for?". I told him to ask his AD (who is a licensed basketball official). The AD told me a couple of weeks later that that was a great call.

I had him 6 times in two seasons and he had earned 5 Ts in that time, but the other 4 Ts were always by my partner.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

The AD told me a couple of weeks later that that was a great call.

The AD was right.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Interesting you say that. Last year I had a notoriously mis-behaved coach (he was fired at end of season) earn a T for that. After arguing a foul call, he was squatting in front of his seat (1st Half so FTs by opponent are in front of him) while we were administering the FTs. I was T (2-person), so I had him in my line of sight. He waited until the shooter started his shooting motion and then he slapped the floor real hard and yelled BOX OUT. I wacked him for unsporting behavior. When he asked me what the T was for, I said "unsporting behavior". He asked "what for?". I told him to ask his AD (who is a licensed basketball official). The AD told me a couple of weeks later that that was a great call.

I had him 6 times in two seasons and he had earned 5 Ts in that time, but the other 4 Ts were always by my partner.

We had an issue here the other night with some similarities to this post, and I'd like to solicit some opinions. (BTW I did NOT work this game, so fire away.)
Player due to attempt the 2nd of 3 FTs with his team leading by 1 and only two seconds left. Teenage spectator from the home crowd gets up, leaves the stands, and walks out the open doors directly under the basket at that end of the gym. The Lead administers the ball to the free-thrower. He has it for a few seconds when the spectator who is now just outside the doorframe bends over and sticks his @ss back towards the shooter.
The officials allowed the FT to continue and the shooter missed.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

We had an issue here the other night with some similarities to this post, and I'd like to solicit some opinions. (BTW I did NOT work this game, so fire away.)
Player due to attempt the 2nd of 3 FTs with his team leading by 1 and only two seconds left. Teenage spectator from the home crowd gets up, leaves the stands, and walks out the open doors directly under the basket at that end of the gym. The Lead administers the ball to the free-thrower. He has it for a few seconds when the spectator who is now just outside the doorframe bends over and sticks his @ss back towards the shooter.
The officials allowed the FT to continue and the shooter missed.

Wow. Very interesting. Funny in fact, if you're not involved.

That said, if it's how I'm imagining it I'm probably going to stop the free throw and ask game management to deal with the situation, including restricting fans from leaving through doors on the end line while the game is proceeding on that end...