Uniform problem in Tennessee

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Unfortunately, the officials still misapplied the rule since the T needs to be enforced the first time the player with the illegal uniform enters the floor. If the T is not enforced at that time, it cannot be retroactively enforced.

Seems that some of those here need to read the following:

3.6 SITUATION A: A1 is discovered participating with a visible manufacturer's logo on the shirt. RULING: The shirt is illegal, but the technical-foul penalty cannot be invoked unless A1 is replaced and then re-enters. (10-3-2 Penalty)

3.6 SITUATION C: Prior to the jump ball to start the game, the officials observe that the five Team B starters are all wearing pants which have a manufacturer's logo or school's mascot (a) which meets the proper dimension limitations; or (b) exceeds the limitation of 2¼ square inches by 2¼ square inches in any one dimension. RULING: Legal uniforms in (a). In (b), each of the Team B starters is charged with a technical foul. The starters may play and will not be penalized again if they leave and re-enter. Entering substitutes who become players will also be penalized individually if they are wearing illegal pants.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Seems that some of those here need to read the following:

Thanks, I knew I could count on you to save me some time getting my book out of the car. Looks to me pretty clear that if you don't catch it at the start, you hit them whenever they "enter" the game as a sub the next time.

Now, let's add to this a bit. Let's say coach of said team knows the rule and doesn't sub the entire game once he realizes you're going to call it. Can you get them after halftime since they became bench players at the half. Or are you restricted because they didn't enter as substitutes?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Now, let's add to this a bit. Let's say coach of said team knows the rule and doesn't sub the entire game once he realizes you're going to call it. Can you get them after halftime since they became bench players at the half. Or are you restricted because they didn't enter as substitutes?

I would say restricted unless they enter the game.

[Ignats75]

Please explain to me then, why does the language in the federation rules include the words "if discovered prior to ball becoming live"? The Federation wouldn't just arbitrarily add those words unless they meant something. And yes, that is Ohio.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Please explain to me then, why does the language in the federation rules include the words "if discovered prior to ball becoming live"? The Federation wouldn't just arbitrarily add those words unless they meant something. And yes, that is Ohio.

Meaning, if a substitute enters the game with an illegal jersey, it can be penalized up until the ball becomes live (ie ball at disposal of player for a throwin). Once the ball becomes live, that player may play without being penalized, until he/she leaves and re-enters the game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

But that is never how the the NFHS addresses these types of T's. They must be caught the first time only.

You are not listening. People have told you many times now that what you think is simply not true, yet you keep insisting that it is.

We can't change your mind. You are going to have to do that or elect to continue to misapply the rules.

BTW there is an NFHS interp this very year about a team taking an excess time-out but it isn't recognized or penalized right away that it is more than the alloted number. The ruling is to penalize it when discovered even if that is much later in the game. It is simply not the case that these things must be caught immediately in order to assess a T. Now please reconsider your stance.

Here is the current NFHS interp:
SITUATION 11: A1 requests and is granted an excessive time-out. The excessive time-out is discovered (a) immediately; (b) when A1 has the ball at his/her disposal for a throw-in following the time-out; (c) during a dead ball after three minutes have elapsed off the game clock. RULING: In (a), (b) and (c), assess a team technical foul to Team A for the excessive time-out. Team B is awarded two free throws and the ball for a division line throw-in. The penalty for an excessive time-out is assessed when discovered. (10-1-7 Penalty)

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Now, let's add to this a bit. Let's say coach of said team knows the rule and doesn't sub the entire game once he realizes you're going to call it. Can you get them after halftime since they became bench players at the half. Or are you restricted because they didn't enter as substitutes?

Originally Posted by truerookie

I would say restricted unless they enter the game.

I agree with truerookie. If no changes are made to the players, then I don't believe that it would be reasonable to contend that they left the game and must reenter. The question that we must answer is, do they have to check-in with the scorer prior to the start of the new quarter? The NFHS has never clearly stated anything on that to my knowledge. If the answer is no, then they are already/still in the game. However, it is true that the NFHS clarified just last year that players remain players during all time-outs, but that all team members are bench personnel during intermissions between quarters (4-34-1,2). So there there is a gray area here.