cursing on court

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

He said his definition of cursing and most other people's definition are different, and so he gives people notice that this game, things won't be the same as usual. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Yup. Daryl is no different than any other official. Every official applies their own personal standards anyway when it comes to just about all acts comprising unsporting technical fouls, including those for swearing. As long as the official is consistent and manages to keep any nonsense down to manageable levels, who cares?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup. Daryl is no different than any other official. Every official applies their own personal standards anyway when it comes to just about all acts comprising unsporting technical fouls, including those for swearing. As long as the official is consistent and manages to keep any nonsense down to manageable levels, who cares?

I care. I care if I have a partner whose "standards" are so far afield from virtually everyone else it makes for an extremely confusing game for me and the players. How would you like it if you had a partner who called all contact as a foul? I can't imagine working with a partner who called every "euphemism" a technical if it is used twice.

I worked with a guy once who defined language worthy of a T as anything "you wouldn't say in front of your grandma". That's a pretty good yardstick, actually.

Wouldn't work for me, though. You never met my grandma.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I care. I care if I have a partner whose "standards" are so far afield from virtually everyone else it makes for an extremely confusing game for me and the players. How would you like it if you had a partner who called all contact as a foul? I can't imagine working with a partner who called every "euphemism" a technical if it is used twice.

I guess it depends a little on what he's calling a euphemism. If he's really warning for darn and doggone it, well, yea, that could be problematic. But perhaps he means more like ( ) friggin' or freakin'. I could see warning or whacking about those, especially if other parts of the situation would be borderline such as yelling in someone's face, or yelling at a ref. But then it could be "marshmallow" and it would still be a T.

It's an interesting position for him to take. I'd like to hear more about how it's actually worked out in a real game sitch.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I guess it depends a little on what he's calling a euphemism. If he's really warning for darn and doggone it, well, yea, that could be problematic. But perhaps he means more like ( ) friggin' or freakin'. I could see warning or whacking about those, especially if other parts of the situation would be borderline such as yelling in someone's face, or yelling at a ref. But then it could be "marshmallow" and it would still be a T.

It's an interesting position for him to take. I'd like to hear more about how it's actually worked out in a real game sitch.

I think the purpose of this rule was to be vague in the first place. What is offensive to one person is not offensive to another. What would be considered out of line in one place would be common in another. I may personally disagree with Darryl's position, but if that works for him I cannot see this as any different when people say "I will give an automatic T if I hear......" And if that was his explanation for giving a T, I know in many places he would be the only person making that call. Being the only official that does just about anything is not a good thing most of the time. This is not a good way to stand out when working games.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Being the only official that does just about anything is not a good thing most of the time. This is not a good way to stand out when working games.

You're right, Jeff. But from what I've heard, Daryl has been making it work for him for a long long time. That's why I'm asking about specifics of his stand and how it works in a real game. I'd like to hear what words he refers to as euphemisms, what coaches say to him, whether players do actually see the boundaries and play within them, etc.