Cursing

[harmbu]

I agree with most on here that players and managers should be ejected for cursing at umpires, but what is the punishment for the umpires using the same words toward managers or players?

Some of the arguments that I see involve just as much or even more colorful language from the umpires.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by harmbu
I agree with most on here that players and managers should be ejected for cursing at umpires, but what is the punishment for the umpires using the same words toward managers or players?

Some of the arguments that I see involve just as much or even more colorful language from the umpires.

Do you have an example?

I think it would depend on the level. I do not think anyone has said that Edmonds or LaRussa were ejected just because of their language, I think they were referring to what they were called. Edmonds called Cuzzi a name, it does not matter if a curse word was used or not. At least it does not to me. I think it also matters what level we are talking about. The Major Leagues is quite different than LL.

In my state at the HS level if any umpire/official can be written up for their actions. So at least in my state there are possible repercussions of the actions of an umpire/official if they use inappropriate language. I am sure anyone could contact an assignor or a league if an umpire/official used curse words as well.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by harmbu
I agree with most on here that players and managers should be ejected for cursing at umpires, but what is the punishment for the umpires using the same words toward managers or players?

Some of the arguments that I see involve just as much or even more colorful language from the umpires.

I would never suggest that any amateur umpire use any of the "seven words you can't say on radio" in any manner in any game or contest.

In the pro game, as certain videos have shown, it's accepted, if not expected. What matters is how that word is directed.

[BigUmp56]

With the exception of MLB umpires, I feel that there is never a time that we as officials should act that unprofessionally and respond with profane comments.

In the two associations I belong to, you would be immediately sanctioned if an allegation about the use of profane language was substanstiated.

If a coach swears at you, dump him fast and hard!

There is no need to respond in kind to his bull&h1t. If you do, you just lose respect as an official.

Tim.

[PWL]

I never pay the least slight attention to coaches yelling from the dugout or from the coaching boxes In fact, I have never had an ejection. I know that they can get emotional, and I give them a few seconds to calm down. Of course, I haven't had one go over the edge verbally. There were a few I could have ejected for their actions.

In fact, I've done this a few times to bench jockeys when I feel they have crossed the line.

I call time. Walk over to the dugout. I say calmly, "It ends right now or I'm going to eject the person I think is responsible. You might want to want to get somebody ready in the bullpen". Not that I would do that of course, but it really quites them down a lot.

Another method I have used when I have a coach yelling from the dugout. I stop, take off my mask, step in front of home plate, and tell the coach, "You'll have to yell a lot louder please, I'm hard of hearing, and I don't read lips." Then I brush the plate with my rear end facing their dugout. It let's them know they won't be getting anywhere with that today.

Anyway, I'm in my happy place when I'm on a ballfield. I refuse to let somebody ruin it for me and everybody else out there. There will probably be alot of people out there that don't agree with me. However, I haven't had any complaints that I know of. The coaches that know me best, know that at least they have an umpire out there that will hustle, and is not too vain to try to get the call right.

[bkbjones]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

I would never suggest that any amateur umpire use any of the "seven words you can't say on radio" in any manner in any game or contest.

In the pro game, as certain videos have shown, it's accepted, if not expected. What matters is how that word is directed.

It's TV, not radio...and the list is down to six, because if I remember right, one of the words was suck. If you run anyone in 2005 because they say "that call sucked," well...

Meanwhile, those others depend totally on the context...generally, if it's preceeded by a "you," I'm locked and loaded and ready to run somebody...

[jicecone]

Originally posted by PWL
I never pay the least slight attention to coaches yelling from the dugout or from the coaching boxes In fact, I have never had an ejection. I know that they can get emotional, and I give them a few seconds to calm down. Of course, I haven't had one go over the edge verbally. There were a few I could have ejected for their actions.

In fact, I've done this a few times to bench jockeys when I feel they have crossed the line.

I call time. Walk over to the dugout. I say calmly, "It ends right now or I'm going to eject the person I think is responsible. You might want to want to get somebody ready in the bullpen". Not that I would do that of course, but it really quites them down a lot.

Another method I have used when I have a coach yelling from the dugout. I stop, take off my mask, step in front of home plate, and tell the coach, "You'll have to yell a lot louder please, I'm hard of hearing, and I don't read lips." Then I brush the plate with my rear end facing their dugout. It let's them know they won't be getting anywhere with that today.

Anyway, I'm in my happy place when I'm on a ballfield. I refuse to let somebody ruin it for me and everybody else out there. There will probably be alot of people out there that don't agree with me. However, I haven't had any complaints that I know of. The coaches that know me best, know that at least they have an umpire out there that will hustle, and is not too vain to try to get the call right.

Lets all join hands and prepare for a group hug. Cum by Ah, my lord, Cum by Ah. All together now.

Hey blue,could you kindly move your "rear," I can't see home plate. Thank you Blue. Gag#@$$#$$$burp@#$%^&*

[Rich]

Originally posted by bkbjones

It's TV, not radio...and the list is down to six, because if I remember right, one of the words was suck. If you run anyone in 2005 because they say "that call sucked," well...

Meanwhile, those others depend totally on the context...generally, if it's preceeded by a "you," I'm locked and loaded and ready to run somebody...

Suck is not one of the seven dirty words, but is a part of one of them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words

[PWL]

Originally posted by jicecone

Lets all join hands and prepare for a group hug. Cum by Ah, my lord, Cum by Ah. All together now.

Hey blue,could you kindly move your "rear," I can't see home plate. Thank you Blue. Gag#@$$#$$$burp@#$%^&*

Could I get a translator? I don't understand gibberish.

[BigUmp56]

Originally posted by jicecone

Lets all join hands and prepare for a group hug. Cum by Ah, my lord, Cum by Ah. All together now.

Hey blue,could you kindly move your "rear," I can't see home plate. Thank you Blue. Gag#@$$#$$$burp@#$%^&*

jicecone,

I also picked up right away that he sweeps the plate with his "rear end."

Your tongue firmly planted in cheek comment did not go unapreciated by me!

Tim.

[ozzy6900]

Originally posted by harmbu
I agree with most on here that players and managers should be ejected for cursing at umpires, but what is the punishment for the umpires using the same words toward managers or players?

Some of the arguments that I see involve just as much or even more colorful language from the umpires.

First off, forget MLB. Things are a lot different there. Managers cuss umpires and the umpires cuss right back. This is not a side job or a weekend thing. This is where they earn their living and arguments are part of the “show”. The other thing to keep in mind is in MLB, you are dealing with adults all around. So don't try to compare the weekend, youth or LL umpire to MLB umpires!

We amateur umpires deal with youth in one form or another. We are supposed to be setting an example as responsible adults. The funny thing is that when umpires break the rules, who throws them out?

So if the umpire starts cussing who deals with him? It is up to his league, his association or the tournament director.

What is the penalty? That is up to the governing individuals. In my association, there is progressive discipline in place for instances like this.

Another thing to consider is when you move up in age and level, you will tend to tolerate things differently. An 11 year old saying “BS!” to your called strike 3 may earn a seat on the bench for the duration. A 25 year old simply earns a smile from behind the mask with a hearty “Thank you” from me.

[bkbjones]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

Suck is not one of the seven dirty words, but is a part of one of them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words

You are correct. In fact, one of the regulars was kind enough to send me a .wav of Mr. Carlin.

Put a "You" in front of any of them and I have to do an ejection report.

[LMan]

Originally posted by PWL
Then I brush the plate with my rear end

I agree....that if I were a rat, seeing this would shut my mouth real quick

[JJ]

Originally posted by PWL
I never pay the least slight attention to coaches yelling from the dugout or from the coaching boxes In fact, I have never had an ejection. I know that they can get emotional, and I give them a few seconds to calm down. Of course, I haven't had one go over the edge verbally. There were a few I could have ejected for their actions.

In fact, I've done this a few times to bench jockeys when I feel they have crossed the line.

I call time. Walk over to the dugout. I say calmly, "It ends right now or I'm going to eject the person I think is responsible. You might want to want to get somebody ready in the bullpen". Not that I would do that of course, but it really quites them down a lot.

Another method I have used when I have a coach yelling from the dugout. I stop, take off my mask, step in front of home plate, and tell the coach, "You'll have to yell a lot louder please, I'm hard of hearing, and I don't read lips." Then I brush the plate with my rear end facing their dugout. It let's them know they won't be getting anywhere with that today.

Oh, my.... shocking! Not the "brushing the plate with my rear end", but the "I have never had an ejection". Oh, my...

[Rich]

Originally posted by JJ

Oh, my.... shocking! Not the "brushing the plate with my rear end", but the "I have never had an ejection". Oh, my...

I'd love to be a coach with him working.