Question: helping your partner(s)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Up until it's reported and in the book, sure you can.

Hmmmmmm......

According to case book play 6.4.1SitD, you can can change an AP mistake up to the time that the ball touches a player in-bounds on a throw-in. Why would changing a technical foul call be different?

[Adam]

Okay, so until the ball becomes live for the first free throw?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Hmmmmmm......

According to case book play 6.4.1SitD, you can can change an AP mistake up to the time that the ball touches a player in-bounds on a throw-in. Why would changing a technical foul call be different?

I'd be interested in hearing under what circumstances you'd change a T after it's in the book? Not saying you cant, just wondering the details of what would cause you to do it?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'd be interested in hearing under what circumstances you'd change a T after it's in the book? Not saying you cant, just wondering the details of what would cause you to do it?

If one of my trusted partners informed me that I'd obviously misinterpreted what I had heard, I personally wouldn't have a problem rescinding a "T". It's really no different than any other call. If someone brings information to you that you might have screwed up a call, and you agree with what they're saying, why not change your call?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If one of my trusted partners informed me that I'd obviously misinterpreted what I had heard, I personally wouldn't have a problem rescinding a "T". It's really no different than any other call. If someone brings information to you that you might have screwed up a call, and you agree with what they're saying, why not change your call?

Nnot saying you shouldn't, just inquiring about your own judgment and criteria. Would you do this even after reporting? If it happened that way, would you explain to coaches?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Nnot saying you shouldn't, just inquiring about your own judgment and criteria. Would you do this even after reporting? If it happened that way, would you explain to coaches?

Yes, I would change a call after reporting if I received some good input showing that I was wrong. If there is any doubt remaining in my mind though, I'm not changing the call.If I do change it, I would get both coaches together(with a partner handy as a silent witness), tell them that I changed the call because I was wrong, and then walk away and get the game going without getting into a discussion on it with either coach.

That's just me though.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes, I would change a call after reporting if I received some good input showing that I was wrong. If there is any doubt remaining in my mind though, I'm not changing the call.If I do change it, I would get both coaches together(with a partner handy as a silent witness), tell them that I changed the call because I was wrong, and then walk away and get the game going without getting into a discussion on it with either coach.

That's just me though.

Yabut....

Your opinion counts for a lot. Thanks for the explanation. I appreciate you spelling out the details. What I'm working on this year (from the stands) is getting into the heads of experienced, capable refs so I can adjust my own judgment and decisions to that level.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Yabut....

Your opinion counts for a lot. Thanks for the explanation. I appreciate you spelling out the details. What I'm working on this year (from the stands) is getting into the heads of experienced, capable refs so I can adjust my own judgment and decisions to that level.

I had a play earlier this year. My partner was administering a FT, then blew teh whistle and indicated a technical foul on the defender. I "assumed" that is was for touching / dislodging the ball.

He reported it, the coach squawked a little, we administered the FTs and went on with the game.

After the game, my partner indicated that the T was for stepping OOB with both feet.

Had he come to me after reporting and before the FTs (and maybe even before the subsequent throw-in), I would have suggested that we reverse the T.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes, I would change a call after reporting if I received some good input showing that I was wrong. If there is any doubt remaining in my mind though, I'm not changing the call.If I do change it, I would get both coaches together(with a partner handy as a silent witness), tell them that I changed the call because I was wrong, and then walk away and get the game going without getting into a discussion on it with either coach.

That's just me though.

Not just you, JR. Good solid advice.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'd be interested in hearing under what circumstances you'd change a T after it's in the book? Not saying you cant, just wondering the details of what would cause you to do it?

I've done it once.

I had just T'd up A1, and A2 (captain of the intramural team) came up to me to discuss the call. As I pointed for him to just walk away (i.e., I wasn't going to discuss the call), he contacted my arms and I immediately reacted by assessing a flagrant T and giving the "door point" signal.

As soon as I called it, I had doubt as to what exactly had happened (probably a good lesson in there about taking an extra half-second before calling a T), so I discussed the play with the scorer. She had a better view than I did and said that I had actually caused the contact more than A2. I brought both captains together, explained what had happened, and we continued the game with only the T on A1.