Jump Ball and holding your spots...

[dan74]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

5 newbie officials and they rotated in and out each period...Anyways, every time we got a new set of officials, we tried this play again and it would work. One time, the officials on the court let the play go and the senior official hit the buzzer and came onto the court to scold the 2 newbies, and had them re-start the period...Until then, can anyone tell me if I was correct or not in my memory of the rule?...Any recommended punishment for me intentionally trying to agravate newbie officials?

On one hand I learned something new by this thread. On the other hand, IMO, it's a bit questionable for someone to deliberately try to aggravate anyone, newbie official or not. If this was simply game strategy, fine, no problem. However, why "intentionally" add stress to a new officials already stressful situation when you weren't sure the strategy was allowed? If you got a kick out of doing this, please take me off your Xmas card list as punishment.

What ever happened to those kids in school that used to tease the heavier kids in the hallways because of their weight or ridicule kids because they were in special ed classes?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by dan74

On one hand I learned something new by this thread. On the other hand, IMO, it's a bit questionable for someone to deliberately try to aggravate anyone, newbie official or not. If this was simply game strategy, fine, no problem. However, why "intentionally" add stress to a new officials already stressful situation when you weren't sure the strategy was allowed?

My read, Dan, is that it was a strategy that they used for their basketball and his comments about aggravating the new refs was just a josh. Sometimes, even a coach can be amusing. Although I understand why you might not believe that.

[Nevadaref]

Even if it wasn't, I would rather that the new officials would be exposed to such situations during a scrimmage than during a real game. We sometimes ask teams to do some odd stuff during preseason scrimmages to give our newer officials a bit of a test and get them thinking.
For example, we may ask a thrower to hold the ball across the boundary plane and have the defender smack it or try to grab it. This is not a play that happens with great frequency, but is one that we want our officials to know and get correct as they aspire to move up the ranks.
I will grant that this stuff is usually done for people in their first three years and not brand new folks. Some of them we do it just to shrink their heads a bit. You've all seen those people who have reffed for a couple of years and now think that they are the greatest and deserve the playoff assignments.

[dan74]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Even if it wasn't, I would rather that the new officials would be exposed to such situations during a scrimmage than during a real game. We sometimes ask teams to do some odd stuff during preseason scrimmages to give our newer officials a bit of a test and get them thinking.
For example, we may ask a thrower to hold the ball across the boundary plane and have the defender smack it or try to grab it. This is not a play that happens with great frequency, but is one that we want our officials to know and get correct as they aspire to move up the ranks.
I will grant that this stuff is usually done for people in their first three years and not brand new folks. Some of them we do it just to shrink their heads a bit. You've all seen those people who have reffed for a couple of years and now think that they are the greatest and deserve the playoff assignments.

Nevada, yep, I agree.

Rainmaker, I figured Y2 was mostly joking.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by dan74

Nevada, yep, I agree.

Rainmaker, I figured he was joking, but still wonder if he enjoyed it just a little.

LOL! Well, if I was a coach, I would enjoy it, gotta admit. ALthough I think I'd enjoy it more if I thought the refs were actually going to learn the rule instead of getting a wrong lesson.

[dan74]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

LOL! Well, if I was a coach, I would enjoy it, gotta admit. ALthough I think I'd enjoy it more if I thought the refs were actually going to learn the rule instead of getting a wrong lesson.

I agree.

Hypothetically, if I were coaching and wasn't sure of the rule, I would've ran the play too and enjoyed it. But my enjoyment would've been hampered by not being sure if I was correct on the rule. I probably would've asked the senior official after the first scrimmage for clarification. If afterward I still had a feeling that the senior official was wrong, I wouldn't run it again to start the next couple scrimmages, as I wouldn't want the newbies to learn a wrong lesson or for my players to practice something that might possibly be against the rules (just in case I was wrong).

I agree with deliberately throwing unique situations at newer officials in a scrimmage setting-maybe those with some experience under their belts; however, that's if the person establishing the scenario is sure of the rule. If the person's not sure, then what is that person's point?

[Adam]

Y2Koach, is there an assigner your AD has access to? Seriously, this seems to be an issue you'd want to get resolved quickly if you're going to be using this tactic during the season.