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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 04:24pm
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I have been reading threads on this website daily for years now and have gotten much entertainment out of it. Today I decided it was time to post a thread to discuss why it is that some of you must prove others wrong at all costs. Let's not jump to conclusions just yet. I know this site is about sharing "correct" information, but at the same time it's about share and discussing opinions. Sometimes however when someone posts a question or a response another poster will react as if he/she is wrong and they must be ridiculed for it. I, like all of you, agree that there is no place for someone to just post bad or misguided information.......I think we all know who did that on a daily basis........but then there are the cases, such as the post from Kansas talking about head coaches. Instead of believing or questioning this post, some just said that can't be right this guy/girl is an idiot. Why? If you were from there or knew someone from there perhaps you would have thought differently. All I am saying is that different isn't always wrong. Example........I'm from MN, for highschool we run halves, we are choosing to have the away team wear white, even thought the home home team is "required" to by NFHS. And we are also choosing to give one single technical foul for teams who wear the wrong jersey, rather than a technical foul for every player entering the game. Now if you weren't from here and I posted that you might say I don't know what I"m talking about. Then I might be able to change you mind by showing you some literature that proves my point. Even then you might still think I'm an idiot.........All I'm saying is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions just because what is being said is different from what we are use to or think we know to be true.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 04:30pm
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MN can also use video review in State Championship games.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 04:33pm
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State tourney games? Of course!!! But we all know that because of that great shot, and the article in referee magazine. Again, if you didn't know that you might think I'm crazy.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 04:40pm
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You're not crazy. You're just different.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 04:55pm
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if you didn't know that you might think I'm crazy.

Not crazy. Just wrong.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 04:54pm
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Instead of believing or questioning this post, some just said that can't be right this guy/girl is an idiot. Why?
This is why some of us have inquired about the actual official KS interp on the issue in question.

Also, the issue was not him providing the KS interp. He defended it, which invited response. He wasn't very receptive to the response, however.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 05:08pm
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Also, the issue was not him providing the KS interp. He defended it, which invited response.

That's what I'm talking about........let's use something fro the NCAA rule book as an example. College officials are "required" this year the wear the new CCA jacket. We all agree on that correct? Now I say, the conferences I work in, decided they weren't going to listen to the "requirement" and we weren't going to wear them. What would you say? Am I wrong? If so, why? If I"m not wrong, why? Remember, the book says we are required to wear them. Responses?
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 05:10pm
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That one is simple. The person in charge of your conference is wrong.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 05:19pm
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 05:25pm
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I don't even know about the "Kansas" post, but your state is opening up a can of worms. What if you tell a player they are wearing an illegal headband and to take it off? If the player tells you no, what are you going to do and what are you going to use to back yourself up? Since your state has ignored the rule book you can't use that.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 05:30pm
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My point is would any of you like me or others to respond to everything you poat and tell you why I think you are wrong? Wether I'm right you're right or neither of us is right? Because that seems to be what some like to do. I guess if that's what you feel you need to do then great. Wonder what would happen if the same was done to you? We can all play devils advocate if you will on a lot of the enforcement of the rules in the game of basketball. I'm just saying that some of you feel that your way is the only way. And dare I say...............YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT!!! oh but you think you are, we all do. its ok to be shown a different way once in a while.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 05:39pm
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That one is simple. The person in charge of your conference is wrong.
Actually you are incorrect. The CCA Requirement is only for Division 1 officials. Other can follow if the choose when or how they can apply their own standards. A good example of this is the color of the shirt used at the JUCO level in many parts. Those officials can and do use the grey shirts and you do not see anything in the CCA Manual that requires such a thing. This jacket falls under the same situation. The reality is that all lower level college conferences have not required their staff to wear these jackets and even have different expectations because not all officials will have the old jackets. Unless this guy works at the D1 level, his assignor has the right to expect different things.

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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 08:26pm
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Actually you are incorrect. The CCA Requirement is only for Division 1 officials.
Just to follow up on this comment: the CCA requirements are only for Division 1 officials, because the "CCA" is simply all the Division 1 assignors, the Collegiate Commissioners' Association. The D1 assignors get together and decide what mechanics (and jacket) their staffs will use. The D1 assignors have no authority over D2 or D3 or JUCO conferences, as far as I know. Those other conferences usually follow the CCA manual, because they want to have uniform mechanics, etc. But there's no requirement for them to do so -- again, as far as I know.

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A good example of this is the color of the shirt used at the JUCO level in many parts.
My understanding (which could again obviously be wrong) is that the gray shirts are not allowed at any NCAA level because the black and white shirt is required by the rulebook. So it's slightly different from the jacket, which is not mentioned in the rulebook.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 08:58pm
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I have been reading threads on this website daily for years now..
And after years of lurking, you finally decide to register and post this??

Before this thread gets locked, I'll add my $.02. TD, go back and read post #15 of this thread from rockyroad. It pretty much sums it up.

This is a discussion forum. Some people are right, some are wrong. For the most part though, everyone is only trying to help everyone else understand and interpret the rules of the game.

It's pretty obvious (especially to the longtime posters here) when someone comes along with a load of bull****, doesn't want to learn and only incites an argument in every post.
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Old Tue Nov 06, 2007, 05:33pm
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That's what I'm talking about........let's use something fro the NCAA rule book as an example. College officials are "required" this year the wear the new CCA jacket. We all agree on that correct? Now I say, the conferences I work in, decided they weren't going to listen to the "requirement" and we weren't going to wear them. What would you say? Am I wrong? If so, why? If I"m not wrong, why? Remember, the book says we are required to wear them. Responses?
We'd say your conference was wrong. Now, if you want to make it more like the situation you're talking about, you need to follow that up with a couple of more steps.

You: My conference says....
Us: That's not very bright of your conference.
You: Well, I agree with them because....
Us: Well, here's why we think it's stupid.
You: Harumph, well I work 300 games a year....
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