Any info on Kansas interp on standing coaches?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

For those don't know I was born in Lawrence, KS, and my mother was born and raised in Bashor, KS, and KU is her college alma mater. Having said that, I would like to request the poster who started this thread to give us some history of behind his query.

I went to the KansasHSAA's website and read the Basketball Regulations. And this is what the Regulations said concerning the Coaching Box:


Coaching Box
In order for a coach to use the coaching box they must begin the game by sitting where the box is located. A coach is not required to use the coaching box, but if the coach begins the game by sitting somewhere other than where the box is located, he/she may not use the box privileges any time during the game. The coach must begin the game in a position within the box if he/she wishes to stand when permitted. (NFHS Casebook page 83; 10-5-1 Situation E) Coaches may not squat in the box, they may stand to coach and then be seated. . The coaching box should be marked properly before a game begins, even if that means with athletic tape. The Basketball Manual has proper markings illustrated on page 17.

A point of emphasis this year from the NFHS and KSHSAA is proper use and enforcement of the six foot (6’) coaching box. Coaches must stay within the coaching box. Wandering coaches create problems including:

Distinct advantage gained by ability to better communicate with teams
Interferes with play
Distracting to players and officials
Perceived as an intimidation tactic toward officials and table personnel
Can incite inappropriate player, bench and spectator behavior
Coaches must remain in the box while coaching. Officials should warn the coach on the first offense of being out of the box “just coaching”. The second offense a technical foul should be assessed to the coach.


Based on the the page number in the Casebook Play reference and the noting of a six (6) foot coaching box, I am going to make and educated guess that this section of the Basketball Regulations was written for the 2005-06 season or earlier. And due to the fact that I am watching the 11pmEST news on the television, I do not feel like going up to the attic to confirm my educated guess, but I am positive the two references I mentioned are prior to the 2006-07 season.

The Casebook play listed in the Basketball Regulation above has not changed. The play number, the play itself, and the ruling in both last year's Casebook and this year's Casebook have the same as the one referenced in the Basketball Regulations. That leads us to NFHS R10-S5 which is the Head Coaches' Rule, and Article 1 states: "By state association adoption, the head coach may be off the bench in front of his/her seat within the confines of the designated coaching box, as in 1-13-2, for the purpose of coaching his/her team." I highlighted, in red the essence of the rule; and that is there is no requirement that the head coach must stand in order to utilize the coaching box. Furthermore, the NFHS has never made a ruling that the head coach must stand in order to utilize the coaching box. By rule, I do not know how the KansasHSAA can justify its interpretation of R1-S5-A1, because it cannot.

Old news, MTD. We've already seen that.

The poster has been banned, so he's not likely to respond.

Wasn't devdog69 from Kansas?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The poster has been banned, so he's not likely to respond.

I just looked at the other thread and KSref07 is listed as a Registered User, not "In Time Out". So maybe he's been allowed back in. Who knows if he'll actually come back or not.

Scrapper, KSRef07 isn't even on the Members List anymore.
Maybe it just shows that way in the old posts?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by PYRef

Scrapper, KSRef07 isn't even on the Members List anymore.
Maybe it just shows that way in the old posts?

I didn't check the members list. I'm sure you're right.

[Adam]

Wow, from timeout to banned in one swoop? That's unusual. Wonder if Francine emailed Brad directly?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, from timeout to banned in one swoop? That's unusual. Wonder if Francine emailed Brad directly?

Not banned. JR and a few others that said "he's not in the member list" are wrong as usual. Just found better things to do than post 6.4 times a day since 2002 like JR. Most of you guys were nice, but the few folks that got personal and close-minded made it not enjoyable. The nit-picking of errors, pouncing on generalizations as if they were scientific statements, etc., the attempt to silence those in disagreement by telling them not to tell "us" what to post (which is telling me what I should post), just got to be too much. Life is too short. Officiating is more about application of the rules than the wording of the rules and this is a concept JR and a few others fail to realize. In application there comes individual judgment - not black and white.

I see Francine has not replied but another ref confirmed. Good to see JR still had to take a potshot at me rather than Man-up and apologize.

BTW, my 300 games a year of which 60% are varsity level - my bad - I did not mean they were interscholastic V games - just V level.

This is my last time visiting. For all the good guys, thanks for the positive private messages. For all the newbies, beware of the answers you get. For the record,
#24 = False
#34 = True
#36 = False

Adios

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

This is my last time visiting.

On behalf of basketball officials everywhere, I thank you.

[DonInKansas]

Wow....lots of hubbub about Kansas.

Makes me queasy about expanding into basketball this year.

*Goes back to bury head in rulebook, praying I'm ready by my first game.*

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

BTW, my 300 games a year of which 60% are varsity level - my bad - I did not mean they were interscholastic V games - just V level.

At least he had the integrity to be honest about the games he works...not pretending that they are something they're not.

If an official works a rec league with 17/18 year-olds, that doesn't make him a varsity ref any more than working 20/21 year-olds makes someone a college ref!