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Old Fri Nov 02, 2007, 02:02am
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I have:
1- travel (defender "must" have two hands on the ball)
2- travel
3- legal play (team or player control ends on an attempted shot for goal)
4- I have a FIBA casebook (2004 version) issued in New Zealand written by F. Horgan, cheers
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Old Fri Nov 02, 2007, 05:44am
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Both hands on the ball are not required see 12.2.1

Held ball situations......one OR both hands

BTW 2004 'casebook'/interpretations from 2004 may not be valid since the rule changes in 2006!
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Old Fri Nov 02, 2007, 08:11am
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Originally Posted by SmokeEater
3) although the shot attempt has ended the player is still considered an airborne shooter until both feet are on the floor again.


Smoke,

Think about what your saying. It can't be both. Either the shot attempt has ended or it hasn't ended.

Team control ends on the release, not the shot attempt (which in proper terms is the act of shooting), at least not when the shooter is airborne.

Also, I have the 2006 FIBA Casebook in front of me. It says published by FIBA. For copies, contact the publisher at:
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Thanks Jay, I understand what your saying and like what was stated already it does really only apply for fouls after the shot has been released.

I still am having a hard time with the fact that the offense released the ball on purpose and then recovered the ball all while airborne. I guess if it was really an athletic move I might just have to consider giving him/her a break for the effort.....
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Old Fri Nov 02, 2007, 09:21am
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I still am having a hard time with the fact that the offense released the ball on purpose and then recovered the ball all while airborne.
You're assuming the player released the ball on purpose. It think the OP just says "lets go of ball". This could easily have been because the block attempt jarred the ball loose.
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I understand that it's largely trivial, but the description "let go of the ball" to me sounds like a purposeful act. For an act not intended, the description is better served being "the ball was knocked out of his hands".
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Old Fri Nov 02, 2007, 10:17am
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You're assuming the player released the ball on purpose. It think the OP just says "lets go of ball". This could easily have been because the block attempt jarred the ball loose.
You are correct I am making that assumption. Without actually seeing the play develop I picture it as the player knows the shot is going to be blocked or is partially blocked and adjusts in the air, releases the ball, then catches it again all before landing on the floor.
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Old Fri Nov 02, 2007, 10:33am
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You are correct I am making that assumption. Without actually seeing the play develop I picture it as the player knows the shot is going to be blocked or is partially blocked and adjusts in the air, releases the ball, then catches it again all before landing on the floor.
That's a travel under any rule set; whether he catches it before or after landing wouldn't matter.
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Old Fri Nov 02, 2007, 04:36pm
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FIBA Rule

Under FIBA rules......,

If a player/shooter releases the ball, it is checked by a defender, and the same airborne shooter catches the ball in the air, and returns to the floor, it IS a legal play.

..............or have I missed the point?

..............which is possible, it is late here in Europe!!
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Old Fri Nov 02, 2007, 05:46pm
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Under FIBA rules......,

If a player/shooter releases the ball, it is checked by a defender, and the same airborne shooter catches the ball in the air, and returns to the floor, it IS a legal play.

..............or have I missed the point?

..............which is possible, it is late here in Europe!!
The question was slightly different: the defender touches the ball before the release. Now, if the release is a shot, no problem; it can be a fumble, no problem again: catching the ball is legal. It could be something else: judgment call.

The theory that a fumble is related only to dribbling is wrong; the rules say explicitly that fumbles at the start or end of a dribble are not dribbles, but don't say that a fumble can happen only at those times. Read 24.1.2.

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