Sloppy jump-stop??

[Vinski]

When the poorly executed jump-stop happens, what do think about while giving the traveling mechanic, the official would also call out “illegal jump-stop”?

Originally Posted by Vinski

When the poorly executed jump-stop happens, what do think about while giving the traveling mechanic, the official would also call out “illegal jump-stop”?

While giving the push or hold signal for an (excuse me) over the back call do we say "over the back"?
I think the travelling signal lets everyone know the "jump stop" was illegal just as the push/hold signal lets everyone know "over the back" has been called.


JMO, after carefully reading 4-44 it seems as though a few factors have to be judged before ruling on a legal or illegal "jump-stop".

When did the dribble end?
Where were the feet when the dribble/catch ended?
Did the player land on one or two feet after the dribble/catch?

[Vinski]

When did the dribble end?

Sometime around the middle of the third quarter.

Where were the feet when the dribble/catch ended?

Attached to the legs.

Did the player land on one or two feet after the dribble/catch?

One, then the other.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Vinski

Did the player land on one or two feet after the dribble/catch?

One, then the other.

He's OK as long as it wasn't one, then the other, then the other!

Oh no! That actually was a Larry Craig reference!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

When did the dribble end?
Where were the feet when the dribble/catch ended?

To me, this is what makes traveling the hardest call to make. The definitions are very easy to figure out and memorize. But when the move happens in real time, it is often (especially with very athletic kids) VERY difficult to determine exactly when the dribble ended and where the foot/feet were when the dribble ended. JMHO.

Right Scrapper, that's all I was saying...

It's especially tough in 2 person (thank goodness I only have 6 of those assignments this season) it's close to impossible to rule correctly if you get blocked out on where the feet were when the dribble ended. I guess that's when the "no-call" is the best call.

[jer166]

If it looks ugly then there is probably a reason & most probably the reason is that it was a travel.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jer166

If it looks ugly then there is probably a reason & most probably the reason is that it was a travel.

Disagree. Many plays "look ugly" and that will have many fans / coaches / players politely asking for a travel, but many of those plays are legal.

Far better (imo) to miss something that happens than to call something that didn't

[Adam]

I agree with Bob. If you think it was ugly, look at the replay later and see if you missed something. But never call a travel because you think it "looked ugly." More often than not, "ugly" isn't a travel.

We're not style police.

[jer166]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Disagree. Many plays "look ugly" and that will have many fans / coaches / players politely asking for a travel, but many of those plays are legal.

Far better (imo) to miss something that happens than to call something that didn't

I'm not suggesting that one call an ugly play a violation. I'm saying that if it looks ugly it bears watching to determine if there is a violation. I would never blow a play I thought was a violation. I only call what I am sure is a violation and even then sometimes make mistakes.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by jer166

If it looks ugly then there is probably a reason & most probably the reason is that it was a travel.

I don't mean to pile on, but this is the worst way to think about traveling. Lots of things that look ugly are perfectly legal. I know that there are a lot of refs who call travels based on how they looked, but that is a disservice to the ballhandler. As officials, we need to learn the rule, find the pivot foot and see the foot movement.