Sloppy jump-stop??

[Vinski]

If I understand correctly, a legal jump-stop is executed when the offensive player dribbling in, picks up his dribble then leaps off one foot and then lands with both feet on the floor at the same time. However, I’m seeing more and more of these being attempted with one foot landing before the other. It looks kind of like a gallop. Wouldn’t that be a travel? I never see it getting called and the times I’ve called it, I hear the groanings that I don’t know the jump-stop move.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Vinski

If I understand correctly, a legal jump-stop is executed when the offensive player dribbling in, picks up his dribble then leaps off one foot and then lands with both feet on the floor at the same time. However, I’m seeing more and more of these being attempted with one foot landing before the other. It looks kind of like a gallop. Wouldn’t that be a travel? I never see it getting called and the times I’ve called it, I hear the groanings that I don’t know the jump-stop move.

I call this every time it happens. I don't hear "groans."

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Vinski

the times I’ve called it, I hear the groanings that I don’t know the jump-stop move.

"Yes, I do know the jump-stop move, both legal and illegal."

[Adam]

I call it too. I had one coach look at me like I was stupid when i called it. I looked at him (across the court) and took two steps in place to show him what happened. He understood.

[Splute]

Originally Posted by Vinski

If I understand correctly, a legal jump-stop is executed when the offensive player dribbling in, picks up his dribble then leaps off one foot and then lands with both feet on the floor at the same time. However, I’m seeing more and more of these being attempted with one foot landing before the other. It looks kind of like a gallop. Wouldn’t that be a travel? I never see it getting called and the times I’ve called it, I hear the groanings that I don’t know the jump-stop move.

If you determined the Pivot foot is established at the time he leaps; then the "tap, tap" would be traveling if the ball is not released before the pivot foot goes "tap". IMO you must take into account the level of play you are calling. I recommend watching the players during warmups to see if they make this same move. If most of them are, you may have a long night of travels and groans if you call it.

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I call it too. I had one coach look at me like I was stupid when i called it. I looked at him (across the court) and took two steps in place to show him what happened. He understood.

I like that, Snaq. Mind if I use it.

[psujaye]

If the dribbler lands on 1 foot and its the same foot they jumped off of, I believe it is a travel. If they land on the opposite foot, I considered it to be a 'big' first step. if they land on both feet, they must either keep both feet on the ground or jump off both feet.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Vinski

I like that, Snaq. Mind if I use it.

Not at all, but no guarantees that it will work.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by psujaye

If the dribbler lands on 1 foot and its the same foot they jumped off of, I believe it is a travel. If they land on the opposite foot, I considered it to be a 'big' first step. if they land on both feet, they must either keep both feet on the ground or jump off both feet.

Incorrect. They may raise either or both feet but may not place any foot back on the floor after it's been raised.

[psujaye]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Incorrect. They may raise either or both feet but may not place any foot back on the floor after it's been raised.

you're right; good catch.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Vinski

I like that, Snaq. Mind if I use it.

I would pass on the mindset that you need to give a visual example of what you called. I can't imagine that looking too good on tape.

[Vinski]

When the poorly executed jump-stop happens, what do think about while giving the traveling mechanic, the official would also call out “illegal jump-stop”?

[Splute]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I would pass on the mindset that you need to give a visual example of what you called. I can't imagine that looking too good on tape.

Sure it does and when the other Refs join in it makes an awesome line dance!!
seriously, this is just a small jester, imo, if it gets the coach to move on and avoid conversation, thats a good thing.

Originally Posted by Vinski

When the poorly executed jump-stop happens, what do think about while giving the traveling mechanic, the official would also call out “illegal jump-stop”?

While giving the push or hold signal for an (excuse me) over the back call do we say "over the back"?
I think the travelling signal lets everyone know the "jump stop" was illegal just as the push/hold signal lets everyone know "over the back" has been called.


JMO, after carefully reading 4-44 it seems as though a few factors have to be judged before ruling on a legal or illegal "jump-stop".

When did the dribble end?
Where were the feet when the dribble/catch ended?
Did the player land on one or two feet after the dribble/catch?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Splute

If you determined the Pivot foot is established at the time he leaps; then the "tap, tap" would be traveling if the ball is not released before the pivot foot goes "tap".

Is this another Larry Craig reference?