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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 03:55pm
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fight and coach enters

If two bench personnel and the coach of Team B leave bench during a fight, Team A is awarded two free throws and the ball as penalty.

I have team A shooting 2 ft's for the bp leaving the bench and 2 ft's for the coach leaving the bench == 4 ft's. Team A's ball at the divison line opposite the table. Correct?
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 03:56pm
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Yes, unless the coach was beckoned and assuming that other penalties offset.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 04:02pm
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If two bench personnel and the coach of Team B leave bench during a fight, Team A is awarded two free throws and the ball as penalty.

I have team A shooting 2 ft's for the bp leaving the bench and 2 ft's for the coach leaving the bench == 4 ft's. Team A's ball at the divison line opposite the table. Correct?
Yes, the penalty section of 10-4-5 makes it clear that an additional technical foul is charged to the head coach if he is an offender.

My state has a rule that the coach can come out without being beckoned and without penalty if he is helping to break up the fight or stop the altercation. If he is out there and being a problem then the normal penalty applies.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 04:05pm
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I have team A shooting 2 ft's for the bp leaving the bench and 2 ft's for the coach leaving the bench == 4 ft's. Team A's ball at the divison line opposite the table. Correct?

& coach hits the showers but the two team members (bench personel) can remain seated on the bench.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 04:19pm
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& coach hits the showers but the two team members (bench personel) can remain seated on the bench.
Bench personnel stay on the bench? I thought they were disqualified with flagrant technical fouls and tossed. I'll have to look this up in the book.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 04:24pm
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Bench personnel stay on the bench? I thought they were disqualified with flagrant technical fouls and tossed. I'll have to look this up in the book.
In high school, we don't eject players. We disqualify them. The reason for this is that we don't want teenagers left alone in a locker room or hallway without adult supervision. It's better to have them on the bench, still the head coach's responsibility, than angry, frustrated and alone in the locker room.

A player can be removed from the playing area if he/she continues to be a disruptive influence in the game. But when we do this, the player should be accompanied by an adult, I believe.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 10:00pm
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A player can be removed from the playing area if he/she continues to be a disruptive influence in the game. But when we do this, the player must be accompanied by an adult, I believe.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 10:56pm
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As long as the coach is being helpful is breaking up the fight/getting his players away, then I have beckoned him. Don't penalize the coach if he's doing the right thing.
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Old Wed Oct 24, 2007, 07:40am
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A player can be removed from the playing area if he/she continues to be a disruptive influence in the game. But when we do this, the player must be accompanied by an adult, I believe.
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Thanks for the correction. I was 99% sure, but I didn't have the rule in front of me, so I hedged my bet with "should".
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Old Wed Oct 24, 2007, 08:18pm
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I have been told that when a fight breaks out stand back and take numbers down on who is involved, whether they come off the bench, etc.

If this is the case who stops the fight?
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Old Wed Oct 24, 2007, 01:44pm
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In high school, we don't eject players. We disqualify them. The reason for this is that we don't want teenagers left alone in a locker room or hallway without adult supervision.
Partner had a situation where two players were sent to the locker room, changed and got into another fight out in the hallway outside of the gym. Before it was over the police were called in.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 04:25pm
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Bench personnel stay on the bench? I thought they were disqualified with flagrant technical fouls and tossed. I'll have to look this up in the book.
They are DQ'd, but non-adult personnel are restricted to the team bench after that. It is only adults who must leave the confines.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 04:26pm
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Ejected adult bench personnel shall leave the vicinity...
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 04:59pm
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So, basically...it's just like they got their 5th foul...I had a coach go ballistic on me yesterday when I called a PF on a player with three fouls (giving her four) and then the player got T'd by my partner for slamming the ball on the floor, giving her five and DQ'ing her. I wish coaches would actually READ the rulebook!
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 05:30pm
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So, basically...it's just like they got their 5th foul...I had a coach go ballistic on me yesterday when I called a PF on a player with three fouls (giving her four) and then the player got T'd by my partner for slamming the ball on the floor, giving her five and DQ'ing her. I wish coaches would actually READ the rulebook!
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