When should I of hit the foul?

[btaylor64]

In regards to plays involving the ball handler, not limited to but the ball handler especially, I would suggest not to ref with an advantage/disadvantage Philosophy but more of a RSBQ (Rhythm, Speed, Balance, Quickness) philosophy. If the dribbler was affected in regards to RSBQ then blow the whistle, if not then the contact was marginal, incidental, or inconsequential, in which you would play on. Also, if there are guidelines in place such as two hands on, forearm, etc. take advantage of the guideline and call the foul, you can't go wrong there. You can tell the coach "(Name of coach here) he had two hands on the dribbler and by our guidelines that is an automatic foul."

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

In regards to plays involving the ball handler, not limited to but the ball handler especially, I would suggest not to ref with an advantage/disadvantage Philosophy but more of a RSBQ (Rhythm, Speed, Balance, Quickness) philosophy. If the dribbler was affected in regards to RSBQ then blow the whistle, if not then the contact was marginal, incidental, or inconsequential, in which you would play on. Also, if there are guidelines in place such as two hands on, forearm, etc. take advantage of the guideline and call the foul, you can't go wrong there. You can tell the coach "(Name of coach here) he had two hands on the dribbler and by our guidelines that is an automatic foul."

RSQB....interesting...I think I have been calling like this in my time (just didn't realize that was the philosophy! )...A lot of coaches want stuff called but when the contact really does nothing, I generally let sleeping dogs lie....

Never fails if you let them play you get the "Clean it up" comment and if you are cleaning it up you get the "Let them play" comments!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

RSQB....interesting...I think I have been calling like this in my time (just didn't realize that was the philosophy! )

They've been calling the usage of hands by a defender by using just about the exact same philosophy during the close to 50 years that I've been associated with basketball officiating. Every few years someone just comes up with a different way of labeling the exact same thing, and they then think that they've discovered the Holy Grail. Unfortunately, same old..same old....they're just re-inventing the wheel. RSBQ is the current buzzword, I guess. Someone will come up with something else to call it and RSBQ will be passe, same as all of the other terms used in the past.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I would suggest not to ref with an advantage/disadvantage Philosophy

If the dribbler was affected in regards to RSBQ then blow the whistle, if not then the contact was marginal, incidental, or inconsequential, in which you would play on.

Um, isn't that judging advantage or disadvantage?

I like the SBQ (I think the "R" is for redundant) guidelines. I try to use them and they help me. But I think it's unhelpful to imply that they are something different or separate from judging advantage/disadvantage. In calling fouls, we MUST judge advantage/disadvantage. The SBQ guidelines simply give us a slightly more concrete to do that.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Um, isn't that judging advantage or disadvantage?

I like the SBQ (I think the "R" is for redundant) guidelines. I try to use them and they help me. But I think it's unhelpful to imply that they are something different or separate from judging advantage/disadvantage. In calling fouls, we MUST judge advantage/disadvantage. The SBQ guidelines simply give us a slightly more concrete to do that.

Personally, I believe there is a difference. Some guys get knocked off there intended path and yet they still have a chance of beating the player, so if you ref adv./disadv. then you no call this cause he still has a shot at laying it up and in, whereas RSBQ says that this is a foul regardless and you don't "save a foul" on the defender. He deserves the foul, regardless if the offensive player has been put at a disadvantage or not. JMO. Alot of people do think this is the same, I just think it is a little different.