ap on throw-in

[kbilla]

Apologies if this has already been discussed, but looking at this year's NFHS exam q.3. "During an AP throw-in by A1, B2 intentionally kicks the throw-in pass. A1 will be awarded a new throw-in opportunity, but the arrow will remain pointed in the direction of A's basket". True or False?

Lets clear up the first point here, the throw-in never ended b/c the ball was not contacted legally, so for the moment the arrow will remain with A. But once A completes the inbounds resulting from the kick, do they still keep the arrow? The way the rule is written it would seem to say yes b/c the second throw-in is no longer an AP throw-in, it is the throw-in resulting from the violation (or is it still the AP throw-in b/c the AP throw-in never ended?)...BUT, this doesn't seem to make any sense that A would essentially get an extra AP on the next jump ball just because B kicked in that particular situation. I am saying F to this as far as A keeping the arrow after the inbounds following the kick, but I can't seem to find this specific case anywhere...any of you guys who can quote line & verse know where this is addressed? Thanks..

[Jurassic Referee]

Rules 6-4-4 & 4-42-5.

[kbilla]

Thanks JR, tose are the two rules that I have reviewed that seem to be written in such a way that A would keep the AP even after the throw-in subsequent to the kick...is that how you would interpret this?

[Adam]

Yes.
And for the record, I don't like it any more than you do.
But that's the way it is.

[kbilla]

That just seems completely wrong doesn't it? Is this in the casebook anywhere? I don't think I have ever had this happen, has anyone? I just can't imagine walking over to the table and telling them to NOT change the arrow (because you can bet they'd get it wrong)....the opposing coach would go ballistic - I know not a reason to not do something, just trying to picture the scenario!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kbilla

That just seems completely wrong doesn't it? Is this in the casebook anywhere? I don't think I have ever had this happen, has anyone? I just can't imagine walking over to the table and telling them to NOT change the arrow (because you can bet they'd get it wrong)....the opposing coach would go ballistic - I know not a reason to not do something, just trying to picture the scenario!

Careful, there's only about 4 or 5 of us here that think this way.
Most seem to think if you switched the arrow, you'd be penalizing A.

The idea is that the arrow grants a team a complete throwin. Since their initial throwin doesn't get completed, they will get the next AP throwin.

Personally, I think the arrow should switch as soon as the thrower is handed the ball. But, the NFHS rules committee disagrees with me, so I digress.

As far as coaches and the table; a quick explanation will suffice. Unless the coach is a real howler, he'll accept it if you tell him why you're doing it. Again, a short explanation will work.